I am wondering why some of you are struggling so much, a man and women can have sex for 1000's of years and never become a physical one Flash. But metaphorically they can and somehow that goes over some of your heads.
This is a 1 Flesh in Union.
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One Flesh - a biological perspective
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I am wondering why some of you are struggling so much, a man and women can have sex for 1000's of years and never become a physical one Flash. But metaphorically they can and somehow that goes over some of your heads.
This is a 1 Flesh in Union.
I am clear. And I know for sure because it is written down. Are other interpretations possible but I’d need to see convincing arguments and the extra interpretation must not contradict scripture or negate itself with logic.
Your idea of one flesh being a child is an argument negated with logic.
If you like the flavor of your opinion then that is great!
I’m not struggling with anything.
You haven’t proven this. Prove your claim.
Yes metaphorically they can. This isn’t going over anybody’s head.
Scripture says a man cleaves unto his wife and unites his flesh with her flesh. The word there is used in hebrew to show tying together, or a carpentry joinery.
That’s it. That’s alllllll there is to it. Two nekked bodies smooshing together.
That’s how a man unites his flesh with his woman.
So this 1 Flesh is metaphorically as there is no actual 2 fleshes becoming one.
You need to do a word study on the word echad in hebrew. It's important to understand what the word is and what it means according to Yah, before trying to figure out what the principles mean according to you. Start with a word study on that word "echad". Yes it means "one" it also means one part of a whole, it means two joined together, two sticks tied together, two boards cut and fitted together so you can't see where one begins and the other ends. It means two human bodies twined together so tightly that you can't tell who's arm belongs to whom. Start with the Word, learn God's definition for the word first, and then build out your ideas for how that affects your life. Don't start with your ideas on it being a child until you have really sought out the meaning of the word in question and done so with only scripture.
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H259 - 'eḥāḏ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)
H259 - אֶחָד ʼechâd, ekh-awd'; a numeral from ; properly, united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first:—a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-) ly, each (one), eleven, every, few, first, highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together,
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@AbrahamSolomon, it is obvious that when a couple have sex, or get married, they do not become physically glued together for the rest of their lives. That cannot be what "one flesh" means. And, as @NickF says, it is not what the Hebrew word "one" means either. "echad" means united.
Nevertheless, the Bible does say that they become "one flesh" (or rather, become "united flesh" if we are to translate echad more accurately). It has to mean something. We are trying to understand what it means, how do this man and woman become united?
The idea that it is metaphorical is the fallback option. We can always just consider it metaphorical if we can't understand how it works. And that's fine.
But the entire starting point of this thread (go back and read the first post again to refresh yourself) is that there may actually be a physical way that the two become "united". Not physically joined together, but united in substance. They are now made out of the same "flesh", whereas previously they were made out of different "flesh".
If we have a lump of brown clay, and a lump of white clay, they are different substances - different "flesh" we could say.
If we stick the two together, they are now one lump. But we know men and women don't get stuck together like this.
But if we mix the two together, each is now a mixture of brown and white. If we now separated them so we had two lumps again, although there are two, they are now both made out of the same substance, the same "flesh" - both are made out of a mixture of brown and white clay. They are two lumps, but one "flesh". We could say they are united - they are a matching pair.
My proposal is that it is possible (not certain) that this is what the Bible means. When a man and a woman come together physically, something changes in their bodies to make them united. And the microbiome is the key - the microbiome of a man and a woman truly do become one, science tells us that clearly. And the microbiome is actually the majority of cells in the human body.
So science tells us that a man and a woman truly do start out different, but end up to some degree made out of the same substance, the same "flesh".
That might not be what scripture is talking about. It might be metaphorical. And if that doesn't make sense to you, then just stick with considering it to be metaphorical - that is fine. I'm just going beyond that by looking carefully at the findings of modern biology.
Nevertheless, the Bible does say that they become "one flesh" (or rather, become "united flesh" if we are to translate echad more accurately). It has to mean something. We are trying to understand what it means, how do this man and woman become united?
The idea that it is metaphorical is the fallback option. We can always just consider it metaphorical if we can't understand how it works. And that's fine.
But the entire starting point of this thread (go back and read the first post again to refresh yourself) is that there may actually be a physical way that the two become "united". Not physically joined together, but united in substance. They are now made out of the same "flesh", whereas previously they were made out of different "flesh".
If we have a lump of brown clay, and a lump of white clay, they are different substances - different "flesh" we could say.
If we stick the two together, they are now one lump. But we know men and women don't get stuck together like this.
But if we mix the two together, each is now a mixture of brown and white. If we now separated them so we had two lumps again, although there are two, they are now both made out of the same substance, the same "flesh" - both are made out of a mixture of brown and white clay. They are two lumps, but one "flesh". We could say they are united - they are a matching pair.
My proposal is that it is possible (not certain) that this is what the Bible means. When a man and a woman come together physically, something changes in their bodies to make them united. And the microbiome is the key - the microbiome of a man and a woman truly do become one, science tells us that clearly. And the microbiome is actually the majority of cells in the human body.
So science tells us that a man and a woman truly do start out different, but end up to some degree made out of the same substance, the same "flesh".
That might not be what scripture is talking about. It might be metaphorical. And if that doesn't make sense to you, then just stick with considering it to be metaphorical - that is fine. I'm just going beyond that by looking carefully at the findings of modern biology.
You need to do a word study on the word echad in hebrew. It's important to understand what the word is and what it means according to Yah, before trying to figure out what the principles mean according to you. Start with a word study on that word "echad". Yes it means "one" it also means one part of a whole, it means two joined together, two sticks tied together, two boards cut and fitted together so you can't see where one begins and the other ends. It means two human bodies twined together so tightly that you can't tell who's arm belongs to whom. Start with the Word, learn God's definition for the word first, and then build out your ideas for how that affects your life. Don't start with your ideas on it being a child until you have really sought out the meaning of the word in question and done so with only scripture.
H259 - 'eḥāḏ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)
H259 - אֶחָד ʼechâd, ekh-awd'; a numeral from ; properly, united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first:—a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-) ly, each (one), eleven, every, few, first, highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together,
So you believe a man and woman having sex is one flesh? If so I am glad you have your anwer.
Is that possible? Yes, After reading I still think it is possible that maybe 1 Flesh might be on different levels.
We are to Become a (New Man) and get rid of our old flesh and I do not think that means to cut flesh off and find new flesh to replace it.
As that post said Man and Woman reunite as One as Man is missing a part that was taken out to make Woman.
This could also be a simple having sex as a metaphoric oneness and behind the scenes our bodies might be slowly becoming one (overtime).
Sex could be both can be metaphorical and represents the physical Oneness Adam and Eve had without needing to become one person in flesh.
I think Man needs Woman just like Adam needed Eve as G-d Made Woman for Man.
My mind is...
My mind is...
Some agree with that and others don't, but your mind is very easy to be blown.
Why is it not sex?
Wait, you only have one kid. You can’t have 7 wives until you’ve had at least 7 kids, one with each.
According to your definition you’re only one flesh with one woman.
Why is it not sex?
Wait, you only have one kid. You can’t have 7 wives until you’ve had at least 7 kids, one with each.
According to your definition you’re only one flesh with one woman.
Is that possible? Yes, After reading I still think it is possible that maybe 1 Flesh might be on different levels.
We are to Become a (New Man) and get rid of our old flesh and I do not think that means to cut flesh off and find new flesh to replace it.
As that post said Man and Woman reunite as One as Man is missing a part that was taken out to make Woman.
This could also be a simple having sex as a metaphoric oneness and behind the scenes our bodies might be slowly becoming one (overtime).
Sex could be both can be metaphorical and represents the physical Oneness Adam and Eve had without needing to become one person in flesh.
I think Man needs Woman just like Adam needed Eve as G-d Made Woman for Man.
You didn’t answer the questions.
1. Why is one flesh not sex?
2. How can you claim to have 7 wives when you only have one child?
If sticking yourself into another in your mind creating one flesh then in that meaning Yes.
Is Marriage and Sex The Same? If Sex and Marriage the same then every female a man has had sex with is his wife.
Taking off on a quick trip.
You’re not getting my point. We know that “one flesh” is how God describes the marriage relationship. You say that one flesh is only achieved through conceiving a child. Then for you to claim a woman as your wife she has to bear you a child. You only have one child. Ergo, by your definition of one flesh you only have one marriage.
So I ask you again, how do you claim to have 7 wives?
I do not believe sex is required to be Married so a man is Married before sex so sex is not the marriage in itself and as some have posted becoming 1 flesh with a prostitute a woman who is not your wife or wives. So becoming 1 Flesh is not Marriage in itself.
I could be married and never have had sex.
I could have had sex and never married.
If sex is what makes someone 1 flesh then that is not necessary marriage.
You could also have kids with or without marriage.
So being 1 Flesh might not be necessary Marriage either.
Is One Flesh just Sex? If so then it's not Marriage in itself and is temporarily not permanent.
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Did that. One flesh is not a metaphor.You need to do a word study on the word echad in hebrew. It's important to understand what the word is and what it means according to Yah, before trying to figure out what the principles mean according to you. Start with a word study on that word "echad". Yes it means "one" it also means one part of a whole, it means two joined together, two sticks tied together, two boards cut and fitted together so you can't see where one begins and the other ends. It means two human bodies twined together so tightly that you can't tell who's arm belongs to whom. Start with the Word, learn God's definition for the word first, and then build out your ideas for how that affects your life. Don't start with your ideas on it being a child until you have really sought out the meaning of the word in question and done so with only scripture.
H259 - 'eḥāḏ - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (kjv)
H259 - אֶחָד ʼechâd, ekh-awd'; a numeral from ; properly, united, i.e. one; or (as an ordinal) first:—a, alike, alone, altogether, and, any(-thing), apiece, a certain, (dai-) ly, each (one), eleven, every, few, first, highway, a man, once, one, only, other, some, together,