How so?Cleaving (to) your wife is sex.
This passage says otherwise...a man and women can have sex for 1000's of years and never become a physical one Flash.
I have noticed that when people DON'T agree with you, this is your go-to answer. As if somehow we are Biblically wrong and you are Biblically correct.If so I am glad you have your anwer.
Your below statement does not answer Revolting Man's question. You are beating around the bush, by the way, that is a metaphor.How can you claim to have 7 wives when you only have one child?
I can actually agree with you on this statement.If Sex and Marriage the same then every female a man has had sex with is his wife.
To Cleave is to Divide. A meat cleaver enters and splits flesh and is intimately touching said flesh. It's that simple. A meat cleaver does not lovingly and gently caress flesh. I believe that the old translators had an aversion to graphically representing dividing flesh and so created an opposite definition of being loving and cuddly and being "one". It is a very "down to earth" and easily understood aspect of sex. (Folds of)Skin is divided(cleaved) and man enters. That is sexual intercourse. To further "spiritualize" the act is to give in to the romantic version. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy being "ONE" with my sweetheart and we agree on almost everything but after a bit the cleaving ends and we go back to being individual contributors to our marriage. When we change the definition of any word to suit our own bias it is gaslighting the remainder of humanity for our own selfish end. Now, having said that, many are repulsed at the "earthy" aspect of scripture but fortunately or not much of scripture is just that- down in the dirt and weeds of life, it is what it is and most of us just nod and agree that one thing or another just is not as pleasant. Not everything smells of lilac and rose. For instance, babies stink. But we love them anyway. To cleave your woman is to plant seed in your garden, not somebody else's garden(that's stealing). If you have(own) TWO gardens then that is beautiful too. If one garden is neglected it will overgrow with bad weeds and will need tending and cultivating to return to good fruit bearing. If TWO are untended then you are a bad husband of the garden- Up Your Game farmer dude! If you have Seven gardens, you are probably not attending well to their needs- a "hired hand" might be doing that for you (not good). Get your garden growing well and established before "buying" another garden.How so?
To Cleave is to Divide. A meat cleaver enters and splits flesh and is intimately touching said flesh. It's that simple. A meat cleaver does not lovingly and gently caress flesh. I believe that the old translators had an aversion to graphically representing dividing flesh and so created an opposite definition of being loving and cuddly and being "one". It is a very "down to earth" and easily understood aspect of sex. (Folds of)Skin is divided(cleaved) and man enters. That is sexual intercourse. To further "spiritualize" the act is to give in to the romantic version. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy being "ONE" with my sweetheart and we agree on almost everything but after a bit the cleaving ends and we go back to being individual contributors to our marriage. When we change the definition of any word to suit our own bias it is gaslighting the remainder of humanity for our own selfish end. Now, having said that, many are repulsed at the "earthy" aspect of scripture but fortunately or not much of scripture is just that- down in the dirt and weeds of life, it is what it is and most of us just nod and agree that one thing or another just is not as pleasant. Not everything smells of lilac and rose. For instance, babies stink. But we love them anyway. To cleave your woman is to plant seed in your garden, not somebody else's garden(that's stealing). If you have(own) TWO gardens then that is beautiful too. If one garden is neglected it will overgrow with bad weeds and will need tending and cultivating to return to good fruit bearing. If TWO are untended then you are a bad husband of the garden- Up Your Game farmer dude! If you have Seven gardens, you are probably not attending well to their needs- a "hired hand" might be doing that for you (not good). Get your garden growing well and established before "buying" another garden.
I personally have only 1 garden and work hard to gently care for her but I applaud men with more. Sometimes I say, "Maybe someday..."
I agree with this. Better do a word study before you start teaching a false interpretation. Don't want to gaslight the remainder of humanity to progress your own selfish end. Make sure you are using God's definition of the word instead of your own brother.When we change the definition of any word to suit our own bias it is gaslighting the remainder of humanity for our own selfish end.
I think the sense of a cleaver being a chopping implement is that it uncleaves things. It’s a de-cleaver. I’m not positive on this though.To Cleave is to Divide. A meat cleaver enters and splits flesh and is intimately touching said flesh. It's that simple. A meat cleaver does not lovingly and gently caress flesh. I believe that the old translators had an aversion to graphically representing dividing flesh and so created an opposite definition of being loving and cuddly and being "one". It is a very "down to earth" and easily understood aspect of sex. (Folds of)Skin is divided(cleaved) and man enters. That is sexual intercourse. To further "spiritualize" the act is to give in to the romantic version. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy being "ONE" with my sweetheart and we agree on almost everything but after a bit the cleaving ends and we go back to being individual contributors to our marriage. When we change the definition of any word to suit our own bias it is gaslighting the remainder of humanity for our own selfish end. Now, having said that, many are repulsed at the "earthy" aspect of scripture but fortunately or not much of scripture is just that- down in the dirt and weeds of life, it is what it is and most of us just nod and agree that one thing or another just is not as pleasant. Not everything smells of lilac and rose. For instance, babies stink. But we love them anyway. To cleave your woman is to plant seed in your garden, not somebody else's garden(that's stealing). If you have(own) TWO gardens then that is beautiful too. If one garden is neglected it will overgrow with bad weeds and will need tending and cultivating to return to good fruit bearing. If TWO are untended then you are a bad husband of the garden- Up Your Game farmer dude! If you have Seven gardens, you are probably not attending well to their needs- a "hired hand" might be doing that for you (not good). Get your garden growing well and established before "buying" another garden.
I personally have only 1 garden and work hard to gently care for her but I applaud men with more. Sometimes I say, "Maybe someday..."
It’s a contronym!I think the sense of a cleaver being a chopping implement is that it uncleaves things. It’s a de-cleaver. I’m not positive on this though.
It’s a contronym!
This passage says otherwise...
I Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. It quotes Gen. 2:24
No, it's stating if he is happy with that answer than great. I just don't completely agree. Also, I believe we are all guessing what G-d Means.I have noticed that when people DON'T agree with you, this is your go-to answer. As if somehow we are Biblically wrong and you are Biblically correct.
Your below statement does not answer Revolting Man's question. You are beating around the bush, by the way, that is a metaphor.
I can actually agree with you on this statement.
Sex doesn't equal marriage, if that were the case then... I Corinthians 6:16 What? know ye not that he which is joined to an harlot is one body? for two, saith he, shall be one flesh. A harlot would be married to every man she has had SEX with.
And Tamar would be Judah's wife, although according to this passage...
Genesis 38:26 And Judah acknowledged them, and said, She hath been more righteous than I; because that I gave her not to Shelah my son. And he knew her again no more.
He recognized the errors of his way, and claimed that she was more righteous than he was, but not once, and you can look at the context of the entire passage, was she referred to as his wife, but he did become one flesh with her, 1 Corinthians 6:16.
It’s important because Yah says it’s important. That’s self evident.If becoming One Flesh is having Male to Female Sex then it has very little meaning as I could become one with a prostitute. Why worry about becoming One?
That's exactly what the Bible says happens.If becoming One Flesh is having Male to Female Sex then it has very little meaning as I could become one with a prostitute.
It’s important because Yah says it’s important. That’s self evident.
AbrahamSolomon said:
If becoming One Flesh is having Male to Female Sex then it has very little meaning as I could become one with a prostitute.
That's exactly what the Bible says happens.
1Co 6:16
Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.”
That doesn't mean it has "very little meaning". It means that having sex with a prostitute is an extremely serious matter.
I had never heard of that before. You constantly surprise and amaze me.It’s a contronym!
Where is this sin of sex before marriage in the Law? I’m not familiar with it.Sex in Marriage Yes, but sex outside is a sin. So Sex in Marriage is important.
I don't recall it either.Where is this sin of sex before marriage in the Law? I’m not familiar with it.
I am sure glad that Mr Strong is inspired. Besides you added to my definition to say something I did not intend. I did NOT say to cut apart and separate in half. That is asunder and that is what SHOULD NOT be done to the one-flesh.
Cleave - Strong's H1692 - dāḇaq
דָּבַק
Transliteration
dāḇaq
Pronunciation
daw-bak'
Part of Speech
verb
Root Word (Etymology)
A primitive root
Dictionary Aids
TWOT Reference: 398
KJV Translation Count — Total: 54x
The KJV translates Strong's H1692 in the following manner: cleave (32x), follow hard (5x), overtake (3x), stick (3x), keep fast (2x), ...together (2x), abide (1x), close (1x), joined (1x), pursued (1x), take (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]
Strong’s Definitions [?](Strong’s Definitions Legend)
- to cling, stick, stay close, cleave, keep close, stick to, stick with, follow closely, join to, overtake, catch
- (Qal)
- to cling, cleave to
- to stay with
- (Pual) to be joined together
- (Hiphil)
- to cause to cleave to
- to pursue closely
- to overtake
- (Hophal) to be made to cleave
דָּבַק dâbaq, daw-bak'; a primitive root; properly, to impinge, i.e. cling or adhere; figuratively, to catch by pursuit:—abide fast, cleave (fast together), follow close (hard after), be joined (together), keep (fast), overtake, pursue hard, stick, take.
So there's the scriptural definition of the word "cleave". Why are you changing the definition to suit your ideas about the matter? Do you know that changing the definition of a word in scripture is called perverting scripture?