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One Flesh - a biological perspective
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We all have a right to our own opinions.
In our own heads, yes, we are even free to believe the moon is made of green cheese.
But if we're engaging in a discussion on which opinion is correct, we need to be able to back up what we believe in order to engage in that discussion (Colossians 4:6, 1 Peter 3:15). If we can't back it up, yet want to keep believing it regardless of whether it is supportable by evidence, we shouldn't enter the discussion in the first place.
But if we're engaging in a discussion on which opinion is correct, we need to be able to back up what we believe in order to engage in that discussion (Colossians 4:6, 1 Peter 3:15). If we can't back it up, yet want to keep believing it regardless of whether it is supportable by evidence, we shouldn't enter the discussion in the first place.
Well I am still going to state what I believe even if I don't agree with your personal opinion.
I am sure you feel you are correct and that if I or others can't see your correct we we are blind uneducated people who should just keep our opinions to ourselves. You are Administrator and so you will use this to make sure we know you are correct, but just understand I am still going to state what I believe either way.
I see no Biblical Truth to that whatsoever and ask why that would be a Biblical One Flesh!
But if you think or someone wants to think we become 1 in our DNA you are free to think so.
I just think its crazy you try and force me to not reply because I believe 1 Flesh is a Baby.
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Reply all you like - provided your replies are engaging in the conversation and trying to answer the questions others have put to you, not just restating a point that you have already made.
I do. I wonder If you do this at in person meeting as well. Walking around telling people you've already stated that already move on instead of making sure there is peace you regulate personal conversations.
Plus there is two post and even though I respected your request people still posted over on the other so I did as well to answer them. I don't mind debating far off possibilities like the DNA, But it is not a practical idea even if it has some minor truths. I will still respect your right to say it's possible even if I think it's not really relevant.
Plus there is two post and even though I respected your request people still posted over on the other so I did as well to answer them. I don't mind debating far off possibilities like the DNA, But it is not a practical idea even if it has some minor truths. I will still respect your right to say it's possible even if I think it's not really relevant.
Your cartoon is pretty annoying.
Quite out of place in a discussion.
Childish.
I feel that same way, maybe thats why its there.
It is a PG version of my reply.
The idea I must stick to Biblical Proof and he can say this far out mixing of DNA is one flesh is crazy in itself.
That is why I said all I see is opinions and nothing more, @FollowingHim stated:
The idea of "one flesh" being children was discussed extensively here over the past few weeks. Start here to see the idea being proposed, follow the discussion to see all the arguments against it.
One Flesh - a biological perspective
We have observed, in our life and others, that the wife takes on the genetic characteristics of her husband. And I don't think it's just through Microchimerism of pregnancies, especially considering how few pregnancies most people have.
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I understand that you may believe this, but I personally think that anyone who believes this idea simply hasn't thought through the implications properly. On close examination this idea simply cannot be correct. But read the other thread and comment there to take that issue further, let's not have the same debate twice.
And you saying its
Does not make it so either.
No one on here knows for sure, yet its being treated by some as facts and forced on others.
@AbrahamSolomon, I have never said that one flesh was about "mixing of DNA" - I don't think you've read what I wrote, or possibly have but don't understand it. I actually suggested it might be about the microbiome, and people began by discussing that novel proposal, before the discussion moved to other suggestions. People disagreed with me, I tried to answer those objections as best I could, others suggested different ideas and then those were objected to also - that is a discussion.
If I was saying "one flesh IS mixing of the microbiome, and I'm not listening to any argument against it, that's what I believe and that's that" - then I too would be being ridiculous and failing to have a discussion. But that's not what I have done.
I don't have a problem with you suggesting something different - the more different ideas to consider the better. I do have a problem with you failing to discuss your suggestion and answer people's questions about it - because then you are not having a discussion. I have even more problem with you responding to people questioning you by reframing the discussion as a personal dispute about whether people are being unfair on you, and finishing up with posting childish animations pretending you've "slam-dunked" the debate. That's just silly, unmanly, and the complete opposite of how to behave if you want to be taken seriously.
If I was saying "one flesh IS mixing of the microbiome, and I'm not listening to any argument against it, that's what I believe and that's that" - then I too would be being ridiculous and failing to have a discussion. But that's not what I have done.
I don't have a problem with you suggesting something different - the more different ideas to consider the better. I do have a problem with you failing to discuss your suggestion and answer people's questions about it - because then you are not having a discussion. I have even more problem with you responding to people questioning you by reframing the discussion as a personal dispute about whether people are being unfair on you, and finishing up with posting childish animations pretending you've "slam-dunked" the debate. That's just silly, unmanly, and the complete opposite of how to behave if you want to be taken seriously.
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I know for sure. One flesh means sex. No other explanation makes even a smidgen of sense.
This is where you are wrong, I never said having a baby was the only way for 1 flesh either.
Meat - Becoming one
Nobody's said it yet, here, that I recall, so here goes: (And I am in general a stickler for Scripture, as Written, and with support - so this one MAY BE an exception, up front. Although, LOTS of personal experience, study - including some extra-Biblical - has convinced me that what Yahushua...www.biblicalfamilies.org
I do not have proof because I don't think we can be sure.
Believe it or not I am open to learn as well.
What if Gay Sex and Prostitute, Non Wife Sex creates a Sinful Oneness and G-ds Covenant/Baby is a True Oneness.
And when a Wife Cheats G-d's Covenant has ended but The Oneness of The Child is still there.
So The Oneness from Sin that Stays Sin is not a True Oneness but sin.
The Bible was not written for people with a modern understanding of microbiology. Most people today can't even understand it. So just because the scriptures doesn't go into these kind of details doesn't mean these aren't the physical truths behind the spiritual truths of the Bible.
It is entirely possible that there is a physical one flesh that mirrors a spiritual one flesh much like marriage is a mirror of our relationship to Christ.
While I agree the sexual union is the most obvious 'one flesh' the other possibilities add depth and meaning to the text. Things like the DNA and microbiome could simply be the physical reality of WHY sex is considered by God to be the making of 'one flesh'. After all, these things are more permanent and lasting than the momentary joining of sex.
This 'one flesh' isn't even the only 'oneness' at work in the marriage. There is a oneness of spirit and will much like that between God and Christ and Christ and the church. There is also a legal/economic oneness as the man and wife function as one entity contractually with the world (in Biblical and English common law coverture marriage as opposed to the modern fraud).
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Again, that would need a lot of scriptural support.
Silly man, we don't need scriptural support for any ideas... This is opiniontown where facts don't matter and everyone has their own opinion that doesn't need to be backed up with anything other than a non-bullying proclamation. This is 2023, get with the times man!
But I don't think we will find it.
Ephesians 5:31-33
New King James Version
31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” 32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
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