One Flesh - a biological perspective

[AbrahamSolomon]

A man is a King without any wives or children as He is King of His House.
Total Authority of the Man/Husband over the entire household is His Kingship.

Revelation 1

King James Version

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1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
9 I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.
10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,
11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.
12 And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks;
13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;
15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.
16 And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.
17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:
18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.
19 Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;
20 The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches.

Biblical texts that called mortals "gods" attracted attention from commentators and became the focus of ingenious interpretations and exegetical principles. [1] This is certainly true of Ps 82:6, "I said: 'You are Gods. '" The present study examines the use of Ps 82:6 in John 10:34-36.

Ps 82:6
6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are achildren of the most High. 7 But ye shall adie like men, and fall like one of the princes. 8 Arise, O God, ajudge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.

John 10:34-36
King James Version​

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?

THE BIBLICAL ORDER OF MEN AND WOMEN IN THE FAMILY AND THE CHURCH

Is to guild us on how to live our lives both men and women.

We call G-d L-rd and we are also lord of our house!

lord:
someone or something having power, authority, or influence; a master or ruler.
"lord of the sea"

king: the male ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth.

Men inherits the position by right of birth, every male is King from birth once he has his own house has full power over it.
But G-d is King of us kings and L-rd of us lord!

 

[steve]

Well now, if a man can be a woman, certainly he can be anything he wants within his own gender.

 

[NickF]

So you identify as a king?

You use your own definition of what makes someone a king. Got it! Glad we cleared that up!

I use the scriptural definition for what makes someone a king. But you do you

 

[steve]

So you identify as a king?

You use your own definition of what makes someone a king. Got it! Glad we cleared that up!

I use the scriptural definition for what makes someone a king. But you do you

How would you explain
Revelation 1:6 (KJV)
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

 

[AbrahamSolomon]

How would you explain
Revelation 1:6 (KJV)
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

We men (need) to have more in person meetings, we (need) to debate everything. But do it with Brotherly Love!
But I myself fine it very interesting that G-d Calls us "

"kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever."

The Forever & Ever is what I find interesting.

 

[AbrahamSolomon]

This is a good watch. Sounds a lot like what I have been saying.

 

[NickF]

How would you explain
Revelation 1:6 (KJV)
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

When did those events happen or are they yet to come?
It's a book of prophecy and revelation. The events are future. Most likely that verse is an allusion to believers being set as rulers of towns, cities, states and countries during the millennial reign. But I'm not sure. What I am sure of is it's not a past event depiction but prophecy of what is to happen. So interpreting those passages and applying them to a thousand years or more in the past is a dicey proposition.

We men (need) to have more in person meetings, we (need) to debate everything. But do it with Brotherly Love!
But I myself fine it very interesting that G-d Calls us

"kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him [be] glory and dominion for ever and ever."

The Forever & Ever is what I find interesting.

I'm doing this in brotherly love. You need to learn grammar brother. Otherwise you won't be able to read what is actually written.
Read it again but slowly and pay attention to the punctuation and the subject of the passage. The glory and dominion for ever and ever is to Yah, not men.

But if you want to say you're a king, you go ahead.

In fact, I am a wolverine. I can be all things through Christ who strengthens me. See, I have scripture to back it up too.

 

[NickF]

*roar, growl snuffle snuffle*

 

[The Revolting Man]

We men (need) to have more in person meetings, we (need) to debate everything. But do it with Brotherly Love!
But I myself fine it very interesting that G-d Calls us "


The Forever & Ever is what I find interesting.

This is not a great passage to use to prove men have kingship in their homes. It doesn’t single men out at all as far as I can tell and it says nothing about the home or even restricting this kingship to individual men’s homes.

Your better bet, and one I would probably only argue with enough to conform with good manners and established custom, would be to focus on the use of the word baal in connection with “husbands”. You would quite quickly jettison the much lower title of king if you did.

 

[AbrahamSolomon]

*roar, growl snuffle snuffle*

You are an odd man.

 

[AbrahamSolomon]

This is not a great passage to use to prove men have kingship in their homes. It doesn’t single men out at all as far as I can tell and it says nothing about the home or even restricting this kingship to individual men’s homes.

Your better bet, and one I would probably only argue with enough to conform with good manners and established custom, would be to focus on the use of the word baal in connection with “husbands”. You would quite quickly jettison the much lower title of king if you did.

So you feel Lord is better than King? Either way we have a Lordship over our wives and children and everything they have and own.

My House is an Independent State off of my Father and I Inherited the position by right of birth.
king: the male ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth.

 

[NickF]

You are an odd man.

Wolverine: *growl snort*

 

[NickF]

So you feel Lord is better than King? Either way we have a Lordship over our wives and children and everything they have and own.

Praise YAH! Some scriptural foundation! Yes! Men are lord over their household! You could even say gods over their household! Little g. Baal over their woman.

You cannot show me that every man is a literal king.

Words mean something. Be Lord over your household and your woman. Be strong and courageous! Stand up and quit ye like men! Tell me to go pound sand!

Don’t call me a bully. If I’m being a bully, punch me in the nose. Then I’ll punch you in the nose, then we can laugh about it over a beer.

 

[AbrahamSolomon]

 

[NickF]

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Nice

 

[The Revolting Man]

So you feel Lord is better than King? Either way we have a Lordship over our wives and children and everything they have and own.

My House is an Independent State off of my Father and I Inherited the position by right of birth.
king: the male ruler of an independent state, especially one who inherits the position by right of birth.

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There are illegitimate kings. There are kings who usurp, who murder. Also kings are tied to a land. If a subject leaves that land they are under a different king. One flesh doesn’t work that way.

 

[FollowingHim]

@AbrahamSolomon, I don't think anyone here is trying to be rude to you, they're just trying to discuss an issue, and instead of just replying to that issue you are taking personal offence to the questions or the individuals, and the conversation is spiralling into an unproductive direction as a result. To get this back on-track and back to the actual question (whether one flesh = children), can you please answer, in your opinion, without talking about me or @NickF or anybody else and just answering the actual questions:

1) Is a barren, married woman "one flesh" with her husband?

2) Is a prostitute, who has just had sex with a man but did not get pregnant from that sex (whether due to timing, birth control, infertility, or being already pregnant), "one flesh" with that man?

 

[AbrahamSolomon]

@AbrahamSolomon, I don't think anyone here is trying to be rude to you, they're just trying to discuss an issue, and instead of just replying to that issue you are taking personal offence to the questions or the individuals, and the conversation is spiralling into an unproductive direction as a result. To get this back on-track and back to the actual question (whether one flesh = children), can you please answer, in your opinion, without talking about me or @NickF or anybody else and just answering the actual questions:

1) Is a barren, married woman "one flesh" with her husband?

2) Is a prostitute, who has just had sex with a man but did not get pregnant from that sex (whether due to timing, birth control, infertility, or being already pregnant), "one flesh" with that man?

Everyone is just guessing and who knows their might be more than 1 part to 1 flesh.
But for a simple people and time 1 flesh most likely was a baby.

 

[MemeFan]

Everyone is just guessing and who knows their might be more than 1 part to 1 flesh.
But for a simple people and time 1 flesh most likely was a baby.

You are thinking is it that simple. Problem is that you have implications. When you asked about implications there is no good answer.

Simple people can see that women or man can be barren. So no baby then. Is that still one flesh?

Sorry, but world isn't always simple.

 

[FollowingHim]

Problem is that your have implications.

Exactly @AbrahamSolomon. I am asking about the implications of what you have stated. It is the implications that actually matter for our lives. The only reason to study scripture is to figure out what we are to DO about it - in other words, to work out what the implications are to our lives. If the ideas we have cannot be applied to real life, and are just hypothetical theological concepts, they are pointless.

I am trying to move past theology, and on to what this actually means for people. My question is, how do you apply your understanding of "one flesh" to real-world situations. In particular:

1) Is a barren, married woman "one flesh" with her husband?

2) Is a prostitute, who has just had sex with a man but did not get pregnant from that sex (whether due to timing, birth control, infertility, or being already pregnant), "one flesh" with that man?

If you cannot answer these questions, there is no point in you even having an opinion on the subject, as you're not using that opinion.