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Fools rush in where angels fear to bed...

I will agree that you never really 'know' anyone, and people change. I will stick to my opinion that the more time to get to know a person, their families (yes most times you marry the entire family to an extent), and definately their children, if there are any, the better.

When my daughter (one of the three ladies I mentioned earlier) started dating again the first thing we asked her is 'how is he with the kids and family and who are his friends?, because if he isn't good with the kids and family, he wont be good with you'. In this case, I think time is your friend.

What's the rush?
 
Fairlight said:
Why is taking your time in a relationship seen as a cause for "concern"?


I'm the same way. I was talking to another member of BF at a retreat one time and told him that if I was ever going to take another wife that it would be at least a year before I made the decision as to whether or not she would join my family. He said that he would do it in under 4 months or not at all. That's just crazy for me. To each their own though. Personally I want enough time for the euphoria phase to pass, to go through some disagreements to see how we work, to go through some holidays, etc. I want to make sure I know who I'm marrying and her as well from her end. I definitely don't believe in rushing things either.
 
ylop said:
But if you have some kind of "trial poly mariage"......


The muslims have a practice like that. When they're in another area that isn't where they live they take temporary wife(s) and then when their business is done in that area they just kick the temporary wives to the curb. Romantic, don't ya think?
 
That being said, I am excited to see Dr. Allen express an interest in organizing and focusing the efforts of this particular forum towards being geared towards oversight of those men and women who would voluntarily place themselves under some sort of accountability. DonnaG is correct in stating that there is no real guidance out there for those who hope to step into ***CHRISTIAN*** Polygyny. This site has the potential to become the guiding light for a new movement. I am asking the moderators and the administrators and the staff of this board to seriously consider organizing. I will be the first to place my name upon your registry. As a woman, I don't want to go this alone considering that there are no legal protections for wives other than the first. I would want a man who would willingly place himself under some authority.

Bill Luck has had some good pointers for us in this idea as well. In some way, shape, or form I think it can be done. In some ways it is being done now even through the introductions process of this ministry.

I applaud your desire for humility and for protection of other ladies.

I will post a quote below from an ancient church father who was trained by Apostle John. Ignatius seemed to think there needed to be some leader who endorsed or supported or endorsed the union before it became a covenant or sealed union. Pastor John Whitten here is one of the men that I will be looking to and being led by (and have been in the past) for objective aid in some of these areas. I think it is wise and helpful for us all of us, even us ministers (however one wants to define that), to have mature elders around us for spiritual guidance. Sheep need shepherds and even pastors need other pastors.

I find his comment by Ignatius very intereresting in that it came long before any Roman Catholic corruption entered the scene. Furthermore he was writing this to Polycarp and they were both DIRECT students of the apostles. Ignatius lived from around 30 to 107 AD. He said:

But it becomes both men and women who marry, to form their union with the approval of the bishop, that their marriage may be according to God, and not after their own lust. Let all things be done to the honour of God." (Ignatius to Polycarp, AnteNicene Fathers, Vol. 1, p. 95).

With him having been trained by apostle John and he and Polycarp doing ministry that close to the apostles I think there might be something worth cosnidering here.

The 1 Cor. 7 text does not spell out who the person in authority over the bride was. It could be more than just the physical father. The authority is there but not specific as to who it was and this would fit with the covenant transition from the ethnic Jewish earthly line focus to the spiritual family focus motif of which we see in the NT.

Might it be that in the NT church era they as disciples of Christ went to their bishop (or elders) before to gain the approval and thus the bishop or elder was the one responsible for giving the bride away or approving the union?

Clearly Ignatius lived long before the corruption of Rome came into the scene. So for him to say this at this early period in history seems like a point that needs to be carefully weighed.

We know that in the OT authority figures, father, another lady, brothers, maybe even the elders or priests in some cases oversaw the union as it developed. Maybe this became the common expectation for the saints in the NT when so many families were divided by following Christ.

I can for sure see the wisdom in Ignatius' point. So many unions turn south and had there been a respected man (bishop) or group of men (elders/bishops) over the people entering into the union it might have provided a safety net that prevented some of the harsh realities that sometimes come forth from hasty unions where certain sins might have been seen and called out before the union was sealed.

I wonder if that was what he was thinking when he wrote this?

Dr. Allen
 
I own up to being a rebel, by nature, by practice and by choice. My Dad's nickname was "Reb", guess it rubbed off. :lol: As a child of the sixties, I have been affected somewhat by the culture. I think that is unavoidable. So, when I hear talk of registries, authority being exercised and oversight, my ears perk up and the hair on the back of my neck stands up. There may well be merit in these ideas, but I am persuaded that such is secondary to the most important issue. Folks may get tired of hearing this from me, but I only have one horse to ride.
Being the man and being the woman that we should be in Christ Jesus IS THE answer to this problem.
It is certainly fruitless to register and screen candidates, when the candidates do not police themselves.
Issues from my point of view are:
1. We need a clear, concise, Biblical definition of what marriage is and how it is supposed to operate. This info is in the pages of the Bible and we must sort it out from all the bovine feces that is floating around. If we don't like how God designed and defined marriage, we are free to not participate, but we are not free to redefine to suit us and our preferences.

2. As Christian men and women we must have standards and values that are worth living for and worthy of uncompromising loyalty. Such standards will preclude the possibility of "settling" out of desperation. I read somewhere a few years ago of a man who was asked why he hadn't married, his answer was "I would rather live without something I want than to live with something I have and don't want." Makes good sense to me. Not every man is husband material and does not deserve a wife. Not every woman is wife material and doesn't deserve a husband. But, both can change through surrender to Christ and the working of the Holy Spirit and become husband and wife material. In the last three years I have heard several women and girls declare that they couldn't date or marry a man shorter than themselves. Shallow, shallow, shallow!!! In the same vein, I have heard men catagorize women as desirable dates or mates based on their physical attractiveness. Shallow, shallow, shallow!!! As long as we think like this we deserve the heartache and loss we experience.

3. Christ-likeness is the duty of every believer for themselves and to seek in others. As long as we seek in prospective mates, attributes that are not in keeping with the attributes of Christ, we are a self-fullfilling prophecy. As human beings we usually attract others that are compatible with the bait we cast out. Bass fishing and catfishing use different techniques as well as different bait. Why would we be using stink bait and then be disappointed when a bottomfeeding catfish takes the bait? Be a godly man or woman and you will likely attract godly people. Yes, I know there are predators out there and I know they troll forums such as these, but if our standards are high we are unlikely to be reeled in by them. If we each take personal responsibility for our behavior and actions, registries and oversight will be un-necessary. Do not ask someone else to do for you what you are unwilling to do for yourself. I am wearied of the poor me stories that I hear in my community. They are easily avoided, by right behavior.

4. Who will head up such organizational structure? Where will the resources come from? How will anyone validate someone else's information? This is an international internet community and I for one am very proud of this fellowship and thank God for it. But it has serious limitations, geography for one. Regarding leadership, it must be earned. Appointed leadership will not work with this motley crew that we are. :) The men that I am aware of that are qualified and have earned my respect enough to lead such an endeavor are rarely visible, because they are too busy, successfully living life. They speak from experience, when they do speak. We have far too much theorizing from wishful thinkers, for most to submit to qualified leaders. We are largely like Israel during the days of the judges, "every man did that which was right in their own eyes." Human authority will be secondary, at best, to the Word and will of God. If we are not willing to hear God, why should we expect to have a following of human leadership?

5. A person can be anyone they wish to appear as on the internet. There is no way for any leader or group to validate information or to enforce standards. Therefore, I believe we should go with God.
 
Amen, Pastor Whitten!
 
John Whitten, you are absolutely correct. Anyone can be anybody that they choose to be online. You state,"I am wearied of the poor me stories that I hear in my community". Was this directed at my statement regarding violence in my marriage? Cecil called you a pastor. Are you truly a pastor?
 
Yes, Lysistrata, I am a pastor and have been for over forty years. No, my comment wasn't meant in regard to you or anyone here. I have met several of the brethren on BF personally and I can be verified. I am not a phony, just so you know. I am real, just not real special.
 
John Whitten said:
I am real, just not real special.

I guess it depends on who you ask ! :D
I think you're pretty special!
Blessings,
Fairlight
 
First of I would like to acknowledge the fact, that there are a lot of mistakes made by those entering into polygyny for the first time. This can be frustrating, disappointing, and in fact some people have more zeal than they do wisdom when they first start out. So on the outside of this reply I want to acknowledge the author of this post "fools rush in where angels fear to bed", and say that I agree with you that a lot of mistakes are made.

John Whitten had some interesting replies to this post, and his words of wisdom in godly insights have been a great source of encouragement and direction dealing with marriage both monogamy and polygynous.

Where I would guess, I would like to add my two cents is, though we are always aiming for the goal and striving for the prize. Just like an archer who begins the first time to pick up a bow and arrow, and I do not known one yet that did not aim or have intention to hit the bull's-eye. But just like people beginning to have an understanding of polygyny, I sincerely believe that they are aiming for the target, the center bull's-eye. But just like a new archer who aim for the bull's-eye but yet misses the mark, I do not approach him with this attitude, and say to him: "you are such a stupid archer, do you not know that you completely missed the bull's-eye".

How instead do I speak to this new archer? I encourage him to continue to try, to adjust, and keep practicing. I let him know when he identifies and see things that are wrong to correct them, with good posture, correct form, and good follow-through. So as we continue to see our brothers and sisters fail and succeed, let us make sure that we encourage, rebuke, and exhort from the Word of God with an attitude of humility, love, and excitement to see our brothers and sisters do well and hit the bull's-eye.

To my brothers and sisters in Christ who have maybe been harder than they should on individuals, or even being complacent in their attitude in dealing with brothers and sisters who fail. I will offer a piece of advice that was given to me, and it is simply this, "when you act this way and you make mistakes and fail, is this how Christ treat you".

If Christ is our example, then let's examine ourselves and how we deal with our brothers and sisters as we examine Christ and how he has dealt with us and others in the past present and future, primarily from his word and possibly from some of our own personal experiences. Because I do not think that Christ take it lightly when a stronger brother in Christ is too critical of the weaker brother.

And to those of you who have made mistakes as you have went down this road of polygyny, know this, that I have made my share of mistakes and was embarrassed and ashamed when I did make those mistakes. My advice to you once you see your mistakes and know how to correct them, was the same advice that our Lord gave to someone who was at his feet, "go and sin no more"

And to those who've read my entire reply, my prayer is that I have been an encouragement and encouraged you on to good works. So keep practicing, correcting and aiming for the bull's-eye
 
Yes a registry of polygamous marriages would be helpful for some, but I don't think it is a cure-all.

For example...

I am in business and deal with contracts everyday. People are all smiles and handshakes at the start, but when things go sour, if it isn't in the contract, it does not exist. People's memories of promises made suddenly start to fade. And if there is no legal jurisdiction or responsible organisation behind the scenes, most people walk away from a commitment. It is rare to find someone who will honour a contract to their own detriment if they can escape from it.

I also deal with staff everyday. Sometimes I meet the parents or partners of my staff. They often thank me for the opportunity I have provided for their child or partner, how much it has improved their life, how they have a real sense of purpose now etc. I smile and nod. Down the track sometimes I have to fire them. The usual reasons for firing are dishonesty, failure to turn up, non-performance and breaking of clearly explained company policies. Sometimes I hear from the parents or partners again at that point, as they threaten lawyers and say how unfairly their child or partner has been treated. Again I smile and nod.

Maybe that explains a bit more my caution about the procedures and processes involved in the addition of another wife? I mean these are lives and loves here, and possibly children.

Sounds a bit clinical I know, and yes I do belive in love and I know it conquers all; however I really dont want to mess up anyone's life.

ylop
 
And to those of you who have made mistakes as you have went down this road of polygyny, know this, that I have made my share of mistakes and was embarrassed and ashamed when I did make those mistakes. My advice to you once you see your mistakes and know how to correct them, was the same advice that our Lord gave to someone who was at his feet, "go and sin no more"

Very true Gene! I think you certainly are most correct there.

I think where sin abounds grace does much more abound as the scripture says.

I suppose the question is though at times what happens when someone sees it and keeps going down the same road of sin over and over and there is a group around that person that sees it and had the means to stop it but did not.

For example, suppose John Doe meets Jane and joins with her. Then they meet Jill and they rush the union and it ends bad and Jill and her kids are put away. Then John and Jane meet Jackie and they do the same thing and another mother and child is hurt. This same things happens five, six, and seven times and does not seem to be stopping. What responsibility before the Lord do those who know John and have a way to stop it or at the minimum hinder his efforts until he comes to the point of wanting to correct himself have?

I'm curious to that especially in light of knowing that one day each of us will give of an account to Christ Jesus on judgment day.
 
Pastor John,

I've got a question. I was reading over this letter again that you sent after the struggle with those members who did not follow the Matthew 18 process. In it I have highlighted a few things that caught my eye. These underlined areas are where I have some questions
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January 10, 2011

To all those who left our fellowship in the last 2 + years:

I wish you well in this new year and pray God’s blessing upon each and every one.

I realize that for most of you, the decision to leave was not an easy one and may have even been painful. I am writing to help everyone understand that I have no ill will toward anyone and to share with you some things that may make such decisions in the future, either un-necessary or at least more effective. There are two passages of scripture I will refer you to and they will give us guidelines on how to make such separations or avoid the necessity of separations. Before we begin, I do want to remind everyone that in time past I have repeatedly warned us all that pastors are not above or immune to, the same problems as any other church member and should be dealt with in the same loving manor as everyone else in the church.

Matthew 18:15-20
15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.
18 Verily I say unto you, whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
19 Again I say unto you, That if two of you shall agree on earth as touching any thing that they shall ask, it shall be done for them of my Father which is in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

The progression of dealing with a problem is to:

1. Go and tell him privately, verse 15.
2. If not productive, take two others with you to witness the attempt, verse 16.
3. If he will not hear them, then take the matter before the whole church, verse 17.
4. If he doesn’t respond to the church treat him as a heathen and publican, verse 17.
5. Of course all this presupposes that you are right in your own position. It would truly be foolish and unjust to invoke church discipline against a man that was not wrong. So be certain of your own rightness before proceeding
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If a brother or sister has not done these three steps he is not yet justified in leaving a Church or Christian fellowship. It is important to always go to the person or persons in question, do not heed the fears and opinions of others, no matter who they may be.
Hebrews 13:7, 17, 24
17 Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation.
17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they watch for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
18 Pray for us: for we trust we have a good conscience, in all things willing to live honestly.
24 Salute all them that have the rule over you, and all the saints. They of Italy salute you.

This passage deals with the relationship to pastors by church members. This is a unique relationship among all human relationships because it is designed by God for the benefit of His people and for His glory and testimony in this world. If we mess up this one, we damage the testimony of our Church and our Lord. Neither people nor pastors are perfect and all are in need of the grace of God. Here is what we find in this passage:

1. Remember pastors are here for leading God’s people and teaching God’s Word. If they teach something that is foreign to you, follow their faith. That is, look into what he is teaching, do not automatically assume that you know what is coming or where it came from, particularly, if you haven’t investigated the Word as he has. Considering the end of his conversation (way of life). Is your pastor being self-promoting or self-satisfying of his flesh? Is it possible that God has shown him something that He hasn’t shown to you first? One will never know, without talking to the pastor and searching the scripture with much prayer.

2. Obey them and submit yourself. When there is a disagreement over something that is not a core doctrine of the Christian faith it is the duty of a Christian and church member to submit to the pastoral leadership, at least until the matter can be searched out in a loving, Christian study of the Word. Too many church members are ignorant of the tremendous burden that a godly pastor carries. His responsibility is enormous. Remember that he watches for your soul and is the under shepherd for Christ for you. Don’t make his job impossible, because that is unprofitable for you. Pray for your pastor daily as he stands in the gap for you.
3. Salute all them, means to treat him with respect and regard him with honor, the man that God has given you as pastor. Do not diminish his stature in the church or community for he stands as God’s man for your church.

None of this pre-supposes that a pastor infallible. Pastors make as many or more errors than most Christians and are often the target of the enemy’s attacks, because of their leadership position. This makes praying for him even more vital to the church.

If God has blessed you with a good church, please observe these scriptural admonitions when problems arise. Doing so may very well eliminate the problems and the potential pain of separation as well as edify the body for the glory of God.

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Now I find that letter you sent to truly reflect what I see in you, not a rebel of a man but a man who values first Biblical Authority and then secondly a man who sees the danger of men and women not listening to a God-called shepherd who gives of his life for the good of the sheep. It is one of the very reasons why I have such high respect for you because I see you truly care and believe the Bible and that you believe people are to obey it and in that obedience they ought to respect someone that they have voluntarily associated themselves with or under. In your case there those members did not heed the teachings and they never sat down with you as their leader to try and work through their problems.

All of that leads me to my question. I've been listening to Bill Luck's guidance on this and pondering it. In seeing your position there too it seems that there is some similarities and thus these are my questions:

1. Do you think there is a way that the Matthew 18 teaching applies beyond just a local church organism? In other words, do you think it can properly be applied to any organization where people claim Christ as Lord? Should this be the goal in a family, a Christian business, Christian ministry, or any sphere where the people claim that to be following Christ?

2. You mentioned the need for church members to follow those Matthew 18 principles because if not pain and separation can occur. Would not then the goal of applying Matthew 18 be for us as believers to use it not as a "control and punish" method but as a love and protect method so that others are not damaged by sin which is the ultimate reason for pain and separation?

I'm curious because I know you and I both without reservation believe those principles apply in the local church context. But I'm curious do you think those principles apply beyond the local church and into the home of Christians and into any sphere where the people are a part of the body of Christ and under the headship of Christ.

Catch up with ya later brother.
 
Hello,

There is a popular phrase that should be inserted for thoughtful consideration:

Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Although Ignatius was trained by Apostle Paul, he certainly began the slippery slope that led to a few doctrinal problems in church history. He said, for example:

"Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church. It is not lawful to baptize or give communion without the consent of the bishop. On the other hand, whatever has his approval is pleasing to God. Thus, whatever is done will be safe and valid." — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 8

"Take care to do all things in harmony with God, with the bishop presiding in the place of God, and with the presbyters in the place of the council of the apostles, and with the deacons, who are most dear to me, entrusted with the business of Jesus Christ, who was with the Father from the beginning and is at last made manifest." —Letter to the Magnesians 2, 6:1

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes." — Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1

I will let those quotes stand without comment, but bring them up to suggest that the decline of Biblical Christianity was quite rapid. Therefore, when it is suggested that believers "form their union with the approval of the bishop, that their marriage may be according to God," (Ignatius) we who love God's Holy Writ should run quickly.

This concept is not only unbiblical, but it was developed further by Tertullian when he suggested that not being married in the church was to be considered almost as bad as fornication. Eventually, the Roman Catholic Council of Trent decreed that marriages can only be solemnized in the presence of a priest.

The Protestant Reformation didn't help in this regard. Although they rejected the established Roman Catholic system of marriage, Martin Luther declared marriage to be "a worldly thing . . . that belongs to the realm of government", and a similar opinion was expressed by Calvin." (HISTORY OF MARRIAGE IN WESTERN CIVILIZATION, by Erwin J. Haeberle)

This in effect helped create our strange confused marital system in America, which is not the topic of this post.

The bottom line is simply this, Scripture does not encourage secular involvement with the marital union. Scripture does not encourage church involvement with the marital union. Scripture does not encourage presbyter involvement in the marital union. Cultural Christianity teaches that one of the job decriptions for Bishops/Elders/Pastors, etc... is to be involved with the performance or overseeing of the marriage unions. However, the Bible does not suggest this whatsoever!

This is not to say that leaders in the church are to not provide doctrine, reproof, correction and instruction in righteousness regarding these areas. Afterall, equipping the saints is the responsbility of church leadership. However, it is to say that control of the marriage is NOT the Church's responsibility. This, IMHO, is moving into a category of legalism.

Much legalism that has taken place in church history has been a result of good men with good intentions, but every attempt to control areas that Scripture does not specifically address in fear of "the negative consequences" of what may take place has created more doctrines and traditions of men.

It should also be said that, in principle, healthy believers are those who are planted in healthy churches where counsel is provided for all those who desire it.

Side Note: The last 50 years there has been more marital counseling, marital retreats, marital teaching, etc... then anytime in the history of the world. Yet, there are more divorces, heartaches, and separations than anytime. Why? Is it because people need more counsel? Obviously not! Is it because people were married within the first few months of knowing each other? A little research will demonstrate that this is not the case. It is a popular notion, however. I know many people who have checked off the boxes of pre-marital counseling, and were married after knowing each other for years, who are divorced today. I also know many people who knew each other days, weeks or months, who stayed married 40, 50 years.

Perhaps the real issue is that people are missing an essential core value - it is a firm value that says "we are in covenant with each other!" "We will not give up!" "We will run the race!" If those being married do not have that, I do not care if you "know" them, whatever that means, for two years or more - that marriage will not last IMHO!

I know I do not post much, but I thought I would share my two cents. May God bless you all!
 
sweetlissa said:
I do not believe that sex=marriage. It is part of the formula but it is not the actual marriage. Sex without commitment is just fornication. If sex always equals marriage then the term fornication is not necessary. Sex is either adultery or marriage under that rule.


I am generally in agreement, Lissa. A large part of the problem, of course, is that we live in a society what has departed SO far from anything even resembling a Scriptural understanding (and that is not just limited to marriage) that we don't even understand what the words mean any more.

The equation is not "sex=marriage", or even that "sex implies marriage". It is that sex implies consent of the "isha" to be under covering, under authority. If it is NOT, or cannot be, then that means the act is either rape, incest, fornication, whoring, or adultery...depending.
 
Dr. K.R. Allen said:
For example, suppose John Doe meets Jane and joins with her. Then they meet Jill and they rush the union and it ends bad and Jill and her kids are put away. Then John and Jane meet Jackie and they do the same thing and another mother and child is hurt. This same things happens five, six, and seven times and does not seem to be stopping. What responsibility before the Lord do those who know John and have a way to stop it or at the minimum hinder his efforts until he comes to the point of wanting to correct himself have?

Excellent point Dr. Allen, personally I would question why this particular person feels the need to be polygamous anyway? It isn't a particularly better way of life than monogamy and it is certainly not suitable for everyone. When you mess up several times, it is quite possible that polygamy is not for you or your family.

B
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The topic of marriage registry is missing the point, but coming from the correct place in the heart which is the accountability of the men. The men need to be the strong and steady ones in the area of poly courting and dating, protecting ALL of the women.

I would suggest that if anything is done regarding this accountability that we men gather ourselves and commit to each other that we will follow certain guidelines regarding looking, courting, and marrying, and make this list and the ones who submit to the list public for all to see. If a man does not want to commit to the "band of brothers" then no problem, but every married woman and single woman will know that he did not and be able to judge for herself if this is good or bad for herself, and the men do not feel controlled. It would be voluntary.

Suggested items:

I will not look without my wife's knowledge.
I will not move a woman into my home within too short of a time.
I will not see her on a first face to face without my wife being present.
I will not marry this woman without her going to a retreat and meeting the BF people so they can counsel us and that she has a PM friend network OUTSIDE the family.
I will not have any established contact without my wife's knowledge.
I will have at least one other man from BF that will be copied on all email, correspondence, and will act as my wingman to catch me if I am "in the flesh" too soon or not keeping level headed, and I will call him each week to update him on my wife, myself and my potential.

Band of Brothers may not be too bad of a term, we could even have a small icon to post on our profile so that everyone can see that we are committed to a certain standard, and we are honorable and will not cross that line.

A small welcome email from BF to all new members explaining that due to the nature of pm, some men troll or vulture and check to see if the men are even remotely active, etc. Let them know that there is a list of accountability that the Staff highly suggests any woman look at first.

We could have a little way of showing which men are regular posters, which men might not post much but have been to a retreat, or have been met in person by another BF member. Which men have a wife that knows that he is looking, etc. We might be able to offer protection in that way.

I think that I will do this for myself anyway, I tend to like my own ideas greatly. ;)
 
Paul,

I think you're making some good points...ones that will likely warrant further discussion. For example, you stated,

If a man does not want to commit to the "band of brothers" then no problem, but every married woman and single woman will know that he did not and be able to judge for herself if this is good or bad for herself, and the men do not feel controlled. It would be voluntary.

"Band of brothers," hummmmmmm.....just so long as it does not truly require the gift of being able to play in a BAND :shock: I'm a little rusty at the ole instruments.

No seriously, thanks for that brainstorming there. The goal is indeed love and protect not control and punish.
 
Paul not the apostle said:
I will not see her on a first face to face without my wife being present.

Personally, I would never agree to this. I would want to meet the gentleman first and see how we get along before meeting the wife and family.

Paul not the apostle said:
I will have at least one other man from BF that will be copied on all email, correspondence, and will act as my wingman to catch me if I am "in the flesh" too soon or not keeping level headed, and I will call him each week to update him on my wife, myself and my potential.

I wouldn't agree to this either. It seems too controlling (and a lot like baby-sitting).
It may work for some....basic accountability is good but I don't think the men who choose not to join should be viewed negatively.
Blessings,
Fairlight
 
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