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The midrash about Lilith and why she fled or was banished ,according to age of the midrash, the oldest and beleived the first was she refused to submit to Adam, she refuse to lay with Adam and bare his Children. She thought he was beneath her, there for in rebellion against G-d. Remember this was written during the days of a powerful Rome in which women wielded power tremendous power and influence despite not being able to vote or hold office. They were idolized and wielded authority in an ungodly manner. This midrash was as much rejection of Roman sensibilities and commentary on the times as it was an attempt to explain scripture. The midrash actually supports patriarchy and the cannon. In some of the folk lore she bares children to the Angel Samael or Azazal (from thd book of Enoch who's imagery is of a Goat demon, also a demon in Babylonian myth, and was a seduced of men and women). The Midrash were just ways to drive home the point that scripture was trying to make or explain something that distracted people from what the focus of scripture was so they would return their attention back. Like the idea of two creations of man in Genesis. They didn't outright contradict what was canon, sometimes skirted the edges if they did they wouldn't be effective teaching tools.
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You just will not stop will you. Maybe others like your knowitall comments but I don't. Your position at BF has gone to your head and you use mountain of words to bully people, particular new people because they are afraid to say anything against a 'moderator' or whatever you are. I find you arrogant and overbearing.
To everyone else I am sorry. I have asked this person to leave me alone and he will not stop. I have no problem him commenting or participating in whatever capacity y'all like, I would just like him to stay away from me.
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Interesting statement.
Animals have sex to reproduce. Humans are the only animals (besides dolphins) that desire sex for pleasure. Genesis 1 tells mankind to be fruitful and multiple as he would reference animals. Something happens in Genesis 3 that changes everything and it appears to be related to the process of child birth, or 'unlawful sex'.
What if there are two classes of humans? One class created in Genesis 1, another class created, or placed, in the Garden. Cain is the mixture of the two, and the bloodline that has been against the children of God ever since.
Kinda makes one wonder about, Romans 9:22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction?
I suspect some of the apes also do sex for pleasure. And I think many animals enjoy sex, it is just they don't have hidden hidden estrous like humans and so only have sex when the females are in heat. I have also observed jealously in animals on the part of both males and females. Also different sexual strategies such as deception, sneakiness, and sex across incompatible species. They're really not that different than us.
They even experience pain in childbirth, but not to the same degree; a lot of the pain in mentally induced and related to fear and desire for control.
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@Welllovedwife, I hope you don't mind me replying to your post here.
I find it interesting that we are talking about relationship sex and how it could possibly be related to the fall of mankind and this is posted. When sexual desire is not understood correctly, a whole lot of things can go wrong. Maybe somehow this 'unlawful sex' thing is much bigger than just having an affair.
Besides it being obvious this lady cuts her own hair, she does define the difference between relationships that do not function in an understanding of PM and those that do. I would say that relationships that don't understand PM, the individuals look outwardly for their view of themselves. For relationships that do understand PM, individuals look inwardly to see themselves, AND how they relate to others in the relationship.
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But, do they watch porn?
I know. That was silly.
I would assume there was no pain in child birth of the animals before the fall. It appears to be a part of the curse.
But, do they watch porn?
I know. That was silly.
I would assume there was no pain in child birth of the animals before the fall. It appears to be a part of the curse.
Well considering death came with the fall, that makes sense.
Not silly. Porn is just a technological instance of voyeurism; and animals engage in voyeurism.
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Ok that's it. No more pets in the bedroom.
Remember that earlier discussion where I suggested searching youtube for "bonobo sex"? The results would appear to confirm that hypothesis, if you cared to watch...
That’s where I was. My identity wasn’t in Christ, and how can I serve Him by serving my husband and family. My identity was - I need to do the best I can to make this man love, desire, want and need ONLY me. (It was about me?) I also realized how much of an idol I had made my husband to be in my heart.
Her statement “we used to divorce because we were unhappy, today we divorce because we could be happier. Choosing to stay is the new shame”. This phrase hit home with me, my mom asked if I wanted to leave. My answer was ‘ to leave what exactly, and then to go to whom or where?’ She viewed PM as an act of betrayal. I did too (for a time)- except, there was no one in my husband’s life, just the knowledge of him accepting pm was betrayal to me. BUT WHY? My identity was wrapped up in maintaining a happy husband, that needed only me. But, what if someone needed him and loved him too?
He (my husband) invited me to change course, (not verbally so much as, he involved me in his studies and thoughts), he invited me to walk this road with him, he never hid things from me. There was no betrayal, simply a willingness to further follow God, and I was invited. I’m rambling- one of her last statements was ‘your first marriage is now over, would you like to create a new one?’ WOW!!!
That’s what God has done for us, we wives can so choose His invite to follow your husband!
And this, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the beauty of Biblical PM. I am obviously so proud of my @Well loved wife and the incredible growth I’ve witnessed in her over the last couple of years.
Even if it does it has a memory of about 4 seconds.... whoopie!I doubt that the goldfish notices all that much.
I don't care to. I choose to stick to mere hypothesis.
Because it is rebellion against the matriarchy. To accept that PM is ok is to rebel against the matriarchal order.
I take that back. Well there is that, but there is something deeper, more spiritual at work:
"one and only everything-in-one worshiped and adored wife"
There is only room for 1 on the pedestal.
Nope, not for me. He was (potentially going to be) breaking a promise, a vow we made. That’s where I was. It’s interesting that soooo many men have this idea that a woman is upset about PM because of matriarchy. That she’s being dethroned, that she’s in rebellion. It’s not about rebellion men- it’s about trust and being able to trust your leader.The bottom line was a broken vow. If I couldn’t trust my head to keep that vow how could I follow and trust ANY OTHER WORDS or vows that he made in the future. Because of this issue God dealt with my heart about releasing VV76 from ungodly vows, not for me- but so God could use him, so he could use us!!! I realized that vow was potentially going to be a stumbling block in my heart and must be permanently removed. This is what I dealt with, not rebellion. It has been about trust. Period.