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FollowingHim said:
So are you still in your local church, the local church has just disassociated with the UCC? I wasn't clear earlier if your family was leaving the local church or the local church was leaving the overarching body.
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Our local church said goodbye to the UCC and Pastor Sandy decided to stay with the UCC. Right now we're back to the men preaching and meeting at different homes every week. I really like that.
 
People get divorced because they don't feel the deep feeling.

Society has this cold idea of love, a "love" free of feelings.

The problem is that this causes you to have a materialistic view of others.
It also means fear of losing your individuality and becoming one with your partner.

They mistakenly think that they love with this mere sense of duty, but the partner does not feel loved. (s)he is being diminished and despised.
 
Julia Mykaele said:
People get divorced because they don't feel the deep feeling.

Society has this cold idea of love, a "love" free of feelings.

The problem is that this causes you to have a materialistic view of others.

It also means fear of losing your individuality and becoming one with your partner.

They mistakenly think that they love with this mere sense of duty, but the partner does not feel loved. (s)he is being diminished and despised.
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I was going to address each line individually, but that would be the long-way around.

Divorcing without "deep feelings" contradicts "society has cold idea of love".

* Humanistic "love" is entirely feelings driven. Feelings lead actions. Thus it's not driven by agape but hormonal selfish desires more akin to eros.
* Religious "love" is entirely action driven and can result in a materialistic view of partner, fear of loss of self, mere duty, etc. This feels cold and calculated rather than genuine. Often, this is an intermediate step between eros and agape.
*God's love (agape) is active (drives to action vs active-driven) and has a holistic view of the person that REQUIRES loss of self into oneness w object of love. Sometimes, u know the right thing to do, and u do it out of duty, esp in the beginning. Feelings follow actions.
 
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"Sleep and His Half-Brother Death"

This is the best name given to a painting
 
Keith Martin said:
https://www.bbc.com/reel/video/p09m0v4x/extinct-tree-from-the-time-of-jesus-rises-from-the-dead
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Fascinating video, very interesting that such old seeds would germinate.

But there is a seriously anti-Christian undertone in the narrative that I had to look into, and it's raised a lot of questions. The ladies in the video state that the date palms were deliberately destroyed by the Crusaders. So I went looking for evidence for that.

And I can't find anything at all other than the words of these same women, quoted by everybody else!

In fact, the background discussion to the Wikipedia article on the trees is fascinating, because there are people who have tried to investigate the same thing there. The general takeaway from that discussion seems to be:
  • Nobody can find any historic reference to a "judean date" as a unique thing recognised in the ancient world. They're just regular date trees, same as grew in the whole wider region. These ones just happen to have been grown from seeds from Masada.
  • There is absolutely no evidence the tree was wiped out by the Crusaders - or the Romans, or anyone else. Rather, it just stopped growing there due to desertification and climatic changes.
So these ladies have managed to get some ancient seeds growing again, and that is fascinating and of scientific interest for many reasons. Genetic comparisons with modern dates are being conducted and will no doubt help people to understand the historical development of date cultivars, for instance. They're already being crossbred with Egyptian dates.

But the story in the video seems to be fake, and damaging. The date palms were no more unique than any other fruit cultivar, and were not destroyed by the Crusaders (as far as I can find out). Why would you make up such a story? The only reason I can find is to say "Christians have been historically terrible to the Jews for no reason - look, they even wilfully destroyed their date palms just to be mean - so you better all now support the State of Israel as penance". It's political messaging.

Why does the growing of an ancient seed have to be interpreted through the lens of a fake and politically loaded historical narrative? Isn't growing a 2000-year-old seed interesting enough in itself?
 
Good catch, @FollowingHim.

Actually, it's an absurd assertion on its face: how could anyone possibly accomplish entirely eliminating any particular plant?

FollowingHim said:
Why does the growing of an ancient seed have to be interpreted through the lens of a fake and politically loaded historical narrative? Isn't growing a 2000-year-old seed interesting enough in itself?
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Actually, it's interesting but really not all that unique.

The answer to your why question could be a retort of asking why do innumerable people find it necessary to repeat a lie they know to be a lie that Donald Trump said that white supremacists were nice people at Charlottesville?

Because it works.

A lie travels halfway around the world before it encounters an oil slick.
 
Last year I went to the beach.
I was eating acai, and suddenly a girl appeared who looked similar to me in appearance. I was shocked, I thought I was seeing myself.

I was enchanted with her, when she left my sight I felt an emptiness and sadness..

But she seemed to be extroverted, while I am introverted.

At that moment I felt like Narcissus.
 
FollowingHim said:
Fascinating video, very interesting that such old seeds would germinate.

But there is a seriously anti-Christian undertone in the narrative that I had to look into, and it's raised a lot of questions. The ladies in the video state that the date palms were deliberately destroyed by the Crusaders. So I went looking for evidence for that.

And I can't find anything at all other than the words of these same women, quoted by everybody else!

In fact, the background discussion to the Wikipedia article on the trees is fascinating, because there are people who have tried to investigate the same thing there. The general takeaway from that discussion seems to be:
  • Nobody can find any historic reference to a "judean date" as a unique thing recognised in the ancient world. They're just regular date trees, same as grew in the whole wider region. These ones just happen to have been grown from seeds from Masada.
  • There is absolutely no evidence the tree was wiped out by the Crusaders - or the Romans, or anyone else. Rather, it just stopped growing there due to desertification and climatic changes.
So these ladies have managed to get some ancient seeds growing again, and that is fascinating and of scientific interest for many reasons. Genetic comparisons with modern dates are being conducted and will no doubt help people to understand the historical development of date cultivars, for instance. They're already being crossbred with Egyptian dates.

But the story in the video seems to be fake, and damaging. The date palms were no more unique than any other fruit cultivar, and were not destroyed by the Crusaders (as far as I can find out). Why would you make up such a story? The only reason I can find is to say "Christians have been historically terrible to the Jews for no reason - look, they even wilfully destroyed their date palms just to be mean - so you better all now support the State of Israel as penance". It's political messaging.

Why does the growing of an ancient seed have to be interpreted through the lens of a fake and politically loaded historical narrative? Isn't growing a 2000-year-old seed interesting enough in itself?
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When I heard them say that, it sounded kind of odd to me. Thanks for digging into it.
 
Julia Mykaele said:
I can understand a person not believing in Christianity, but I don't understand how someone can believe that God doesn't exist.

I FEEL since my childhood that there is a creator, but I wouldn't know how to give an argument other than my feelings..
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You are on the right track. God tells us in e.g. Psalm 19 that the creation shows His creative genius, and in Romans 1 that people are without excuse because His eternal power is evident in the creation. There are excellent resources available on the Internet to help you get equipped to present good and logical arguments for the evidence of God in creation. Check out Creation Ministries International, Creation Research Institute ,or Answers in Genesis as they have excellent online resources. Shalom
 
A very readable book on the subject that makes the argument in lay terms is The Case for a Creator, by journalist Lee Strobel. It may have even been translated into Portuguese!
 
This reminds me of what Jung said:

"Primordial images are, of course, just as much idea as feeling. Thus, basic ideas such as God, freedom, immortality are just as much feeling-values as they are significant as ideas. Everything, therefore, that has been said of the introverted thinking refers equally to introverted feeling, only here everything is felt while there it was thought."
 
i hope i understand this thread as random comments means random comments

i had to reread what i wrote several times right there ... and lost my train of thought, for real.

oh yeah, i guess i haven't been around much, i see that now we have 'seasoned people'
i guess rather than the old assended people
i may have noticed that awhile ago and forgot,
but i'd rather not go dig in the anuls of this site to find out for sure.
 
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