I have a wife that left, hoping that I would come to my senses and see things her way before she would return.
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Meat Patriarchs' Journal 3.21, 'Which traditional marriage..?'
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That's an interesting question; do you mean who got custody or how children were affected as a result of divorce?
Custody.
I can't think of any midrash where the woman got custody of the children in the event of a divorce.
I'll try to dig around more on this though next week (bliy neder "without a vow" )
Don't the children belong to the man?I can't think of any midrash where the woman got custody of the children in the event of a divorce.
I'll try to dig around more on this though next week (bliy neder "without a vow" )
Yes, though batei din will award custody to the mother; for example if the man became an atheistic gay...
I’ve seen it also for a “mistaken betrothal” in which the husband fails to fulfill Exodus 21:10 and the child is freed with his mother. This may be the “fifth” part that he must add to her or something similar.
OTOH @Well loved wife and I were talking about this the other day, and I think its possible that the children that followed Michal when she was being brought to David were birthed by her. It has similarities to the code of Hammurabi when a wife leaves her husbands house because he’s absent and she’s without food. and then joins another mans house. When the husband comes home, she has to go back to her first husband, but the kids stay with the father.
Its not a perfect match of course, but its close enough that it may have been the basis of rationale in that moment.
OTOH @Well loved wife and I were talking about this the other day, and I think its possible that the children that followed Michal when she was being brought to David were birthed by her. It has similarities to the code of Hammurabi when a wife leaves her husbands house because he’s absent and she’s without food. and then joins another mans house. When the husband comes home, she has to go back to her first husband, but the kids stay with the father.
Its not a perfect match of course, but its close enough that it may have been the basis of rationale in that moment.
1 Samuel 25:44 (KJV)
But Saul had given Michal his daughter, David's wife, to Phalti the son of Laish, which [was] of Gallim.
2 Samuel 21:8 (KJV)
But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
Ok, whaat?
But Saul had given Michal his daughter, David's wife, to Phalti the son of Laish, which [was] of Gallim.
2 Samuel 21:8 (KJV)
But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite:
Ok, whaat?
Most translations identify her as Merab. https://biblehub.com/2_samuel/21-8.htm
Interesting
Merab, interestingly enough, was the older daughter that David was originally going to marry. I Samuel 18:17
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This is quite interesting. Both the bold words are the same in hebrew. Yalad. To bear young to beget.
Interpretation bias?
I Sam 18:19 Identifies Adriel as the husband of Merab. Somewhere, someone must have transcribed the original and put in מִ יכַ ל mistakenly instead of מֵ רַ ב.
https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/did-michal-have-children-or-not/
https://answersingenesis.org/contradictions-in-the-bible/did-michal-have-children-or-not/
I already talked to a catholic girl who said that Moses and Zipporah abstained sexually as did Mary and Joseph.
LOL! Gotta love them Catholics!I already talked to a catholic girl who said that Moses and Zipporah abstained sexually as did Mary and Joseph.
They missed Deuteronomy 34:7... 'Although Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died, his eye was not dim nor his vigor abated.'
Oh that I can make 120 and my vigor not be abated!!
I gotta wonder how they explain away Exodus 4:20. Of all the arguments I have heard against Moses practicing polygamy, this one takes the cake!They missed Deuteronomy 34:7... 'Although Moses was one hundred and twenty years old when he died, his eye was not dim nor his vigor abated.'
Oh that I can make 120 and my vigor not be abated!!