I'm at the point where I don't actually want that stuff going into my brain. You feel free to read or listen to it if you want.
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Mike Winger
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Consider the nine 'mia ton sabbaton' passages that the church claims to properly translate as 'first day of the week'.... (lying b@st@rds)... they translate and defend mia as 'first' in that passage vehemently lest you correctly translate it as 'one of the sabbaton'
And, in that case, 'mia' is 'one' in a series.. which crushes 'one wife'...
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Absolutely correct. So called Christian women are fornicating at an almost 100 percent rate before marriage. This leads to biblical men combing through women who have been used by men as their option for wives.
The Bible is completely disregarded in terms of purity by both secular and Christian people alike.
Wonder how verses like this go over?
Deuteronomy 22:20-21 CSB
[20] But if this accusation is true and no evidence of the young woman's virginity is found, [21] they will bring the woman to the door of her father’s house, and the men of her city will stone her to death. For she has committed an outrage in Israel by being promiscuous while living in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from you.
"see how cruel the law was? what a relief we aren't under it anymore!"
The spirit of Ashtoreth absolutely hates verses like those. They are fornicating - indeed. Having abortions. In rebellion against their authority figure (father and then husband). Issuing divorces over non-sense. Marrying pagans. What's the fruit of it all? No peace in the land. Kingdom of darkness expanding. Curses in the land.
But let's say that torah portion was practiced. An example was made. Fear would come upon the church, and women would think twice before playing the whore in their father's house.
Since there's way more women than righteous men - most women would either have to become open to polygyny; or remain un-married and virgins their entire life. Whatever they choose - the end result would be the Kingdom of Light growing, and the Kingdom of Darkness diminishing. Solomon marrying pagan women brought the collapse of the United Kingdom of Israel. Likewise Christian women sleeping around, and marrying pagans is bringing the collapse of western civilization.
That's why no matter who is in office - Trump - or whomever - you can't stop this train wreck without a "Shuba." A Return. A repentance. Back to the ways of the Creator - his Divine Instructions - his torah. 2 Timothy 3:16 and Romans 3:31 both support this!
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Yup! Keep it coming! Except for the "lying b***" part.
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I don't ever want to stick my fingers in my ears and yell out "BLAH BLAH BLAH, I CAN'T HEAR YOU". I see the people on the other side doing this, and I call them out on it. I won't do so myself. As James says, "Let every man be quick to hear,...."
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I think if you tried to carry out something like that, you would get arrested. Also, we have verses like Lev 20:10 - 16
Punishments for Sexual Immorality
10 “If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. 11 If a man lies with his father's wife, he has uncovered his father's nakedness; both of them shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 12 If a man lies with his daughter-in-law, both of them shall surely be put to death; they have committed perversion; their blood is upon them. 13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 14 If a man takes a woman and her mother also, it is depravity; he and they shall be burned with fire, that there may be no depravity among you. 15 If a man lies with an animal, he shall surely be put to death, and you shall kill the animal. 16 If a woman approaches any animal and lies with it, you shall kill the woman and the animal; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.The Texas Sodomy law that was overturned 11 years ago by the Supreme Court, was mild compared to these verses.
I’m aware of these verses. My point was that God takes sexual sin deadly serious.
My other point was that women in general, fornicate at a near 100 percent clip before marriage. Christian women nearly universally do not take these verses seriously.
If, for example, a man desires to take another wife, They’re left combing through women that have been run through by men. This is $&@)(;:””&. There just simply aren’t pure women in western society, either Christian or non Christian.
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This kind of blanket statement is never accurate.
I should have clarified. Hardly any. I’m sure there is a unicorn somewhere.
that's why, i think, the christian nationalists are on the right track; they wish to acquire political power and transform their nation's laws into biblical ones.
The right track is the Messiah - YAHushua - fulfilling the last Holy Day. Which is Sukkot. The prophets talk about it quite a bit. The greater exodus - the re-union of the 10 lost tribes of Israel (Ephraim), and Judah. Through the 2nd Exodus. The torah will be the law of the land. There will be an everlasting peace covenant. The torah will be written in our hearts, so no one will have to teach their neighbor. The smallest family will grow to a 1,000 people. A thousand to a small nation. No curses in the land. Peace covenant with the animals as well. All of these are promises are not yet fulfilled. They occur with the re-gathering of his people - "throughout the nations of the earth" - such a thing has never happened in human history.
You can read in the book of revelation - how the rest of the peoples of the earth - when they see how blessed these people are - gather a massive army - like the sand on the seashore - to attack YAH's people that are living in peace - re-gathered from throughout the nations of the earth. It doesn't end well for them:
Revelation 20:8-10 NLT
Satan will go out to deceive the nations—called Gog and Magog—in every corner of the earth. He will gather them together for battle—a mighty army, as numberless as sand along the seashore. 9 And I saw them as they went up on the broad plain of the earth and surrounded God’s people and the beloved city. But fire from heaven came down on the attacking armies and consumed them.
10 Then the devil, who had deceived them, was thrown into the fiery lake of burning sulfur, joining the beast and the false prophet. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Ezekiel 38:8 NLT
A long time from now you will be called into action. In the distant future you will swoop down on the land of Israel, which will be enjoying peace after recovering from war and after its people have returned from many lands to the mountains of Israel. 9 You and all your allies—a vast and awesome army—will roll down on them like a storm and cover the land like a cloud.
11-12 You will say, ‘Israel is an unprotected land filled with unwalled villages! I will march against her and destroy these people who live in such confidence! 12 I will go to those formerly desolate cities that are now filled with people who have returned from exile in many nations. I will capture vast amounts of plunder, for the people are rich with livestock and other possessions now. They think the whole world revolves around them!’
16 and you will attack my people Israel, covering their land like a cloud. At that time in the distant future, I will bring you against my land as everyone watches, and my holiness will be displayed by what happens to you, Gog. Then all the nations will know that I am YAHUAH.
17- 23 This is what the YAHUAH asks: Are you the one I was talking about long ago, when I announced through Israel’s prophets that in the future I would bring you against my people? 18 But this is what YAHUAH says: When Gog invades the land of Israel, my fury will boil over! 19 In my jealousy and blazing anger, I promise a mighty shaking in the land of Israel on that day. 20 All living things—the fish in the sea, the birds of the sky, the animals of the field, the small animals that scurry along the ground, and all the people on earth—will quake in terror at my presence. Mountains will be thrown down; cliffs will crumble; walls will fall to the earth. 21 I will summon the sword against you on all the hills of Israel, says YAHUAH. Your men will turn their swords against each other. 22 I will punish you and your armies with disease and bloodshed; I will send torrential rain, hailstones, fire, and burning sulfur! 23 In this way, I will show my greatness and holiness, and I will make myself known to all the nations of the world. Then they will know that I am YAHUAH!
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would you agree that the church does in fact largely keep god's commandments, if even inadvertently? we don't murder, we don't steal, we don't worship other gods. sure, we can point to the witches we've suffered, or the adulterers we haven't stoned, or the rapists we haven't executed, but i can tell you that the general equity theonomist christian nationalists today - largely, if not entirely, reformed protestant guys - are working to change that fact.
it's not obvious to me that, once some filtering has been done, the good reformed teachers are "much much worse" than pharisees. the ones who wish to enforce the torah, minus the bits called "ceremonial," are like 98% alike with you.
from their perspective that's like asking if stealing is permitted if food is scarce enough
"you can't be in a plural marriage" is, like, one thing.
or because they are misled. was peter a viper for refusing to eat with gentiles? or was he just mistaken?
you're wrong to dichotomize between perfect obedience and total rebellion. god takes time, reformation takes time.
why do you think this?
No.
At the end of the day going to University or not going to University is, for most people, going to be the deciding factor on what the quality of life is going to be. Everyone should attempt it.
Maybe not.
If everybody is going into college, there will be overproduction of thinking workers and underproduction of manual. So high salaries for manuals, especially if some skill is needed for good way.
Skill will make them irreplacable even with immigrants.
Not necessarily everyone should attempt it, but if a woman's desire is to be a housewife, she would be better off choosing a proven commodity in a husband. My mother was a housewife, and we were in dire straits when it came to light the things my father had done, and we had to scrape what we could together, in order to survive.
EDIT: One of the hardest things I recall from my years at a secular college and university, was many of the history, social science, and political science courses I had to take, just raising my hand whenever the professor asked if anybody believed in God. I can't say I always had the audacity to do so, but afterwards, it felt good whenever I did.
EDIT EDIT: I have three sisters who are housewives, and the other one is mostly a housewife, and they have all done pretty well, so my mother got the one bad apple.
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Well as they get older and they realize that they have hit the proverbial wall, they are more likely to give in to pressure as well. The same women who might be more inclined to accept polygyny, are women who realize that their prospects are looking grim. We want to reach them before they reach that point, so that they will realize that monogamy is not all it's cracked up to be. If we time it right, they will remain pure and at the same time be willing to say "Yes" to this area where God is leading them.