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The Light of Lucifer on Divorce

OttoM

OttoM

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Lucifer - the adversary - is called the light bearer because his peaceful light engulfs the western world. The standard practice in western (Christian) civilization when it comes to divorce is as follows:

The wife can divorce her husband for any reason, and she is rewarded by getting primary custody of the children and wealth from her ex-master - the husband.

But what does the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob say about it? His law in the book of psalms is also called the laws of peace and perfection:

Exodus 21:5
“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he may serve for no more than six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. 3 If he was single when he became your slave, he shall leave single. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife must be freed with him.

4“If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave and they had sons or daughters, then only the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. 5 But the slave may declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I don’t want to go free.’ 6 If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door or doorpost and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will serve his Master for life.

So if a wife decides to leave her husband - not only is she commanded to stay un-married (no sexual relations with any other man), but she also does not get to keep any children that came from that marriage. And she most certainly does not get any of the man’s wealth.

Divorces would collapse and wives would carry their cross/stake and stay with their husbands. Husbands would have more peace and be able to grow their households without having to worry about snakes in their garden.
 
OttoM said:
So if a wife decides to leave her husband - not only is she commanded to stay un-married (no sexual relations with any other man), but she also does not get to keep any children that came from that marriage. And she most certainly does not get any of the man’s wealth.
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I agree with this conclusion, but the verses used only govern slavery imo.
What am I missing?
 
steve said:
I agree with this conclusion, but the verses used only govern slavery imo.
What am I missing?
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Exodus 20:17
You shall not covet your neighbor’s house. You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, or his male or female servant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbor.

Just like the servant belongs to the master of the house - so does his wife. The wife is considered his property. We see this through the righteousness of the bride price - given to her family - and the fact that the man can multiply wives but the wife can’t.

Whatever someone came in with - they leave with:

Exodus 21:3
3 If he was single when he became your slave, he shall leave single. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife must be freed with him.

But if the children came during the marriage - they belong to the master of the house. Because they are considered his property.

Be the judge yourself - is it righteous for a wife to leave her husband and take his own property with her? What she came in with - she leaves with.
 
Consider this - if the wife leaves and takes his property (children), and she is commanded to stay un-married - how are the children going to develop without a father figure. Do not the laws of nature contradict this? Study after study shows that children that grow up without a father don’t do so well. However, if the children stay with the father - the father can always add a wife. And the wife that left - as long as she wasn’t with another man - can also return.
 
I agree with your conclusions, but using slavery verses as your proof texts is counterproductive.
 
OttoM said:
Study after study shows that children that grow up without a father don’t do so well.
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Many of those children grow up and become criminals. In a study I read some time back I recall the writer presenting statistics that showed 70% of prison inmates come from fartherless homes. It is very sad.
 
OttoM said:
“If you buy a Hebrew slave, he may serve for no more than six years.
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This is one of those Old Testament passages that would be impractical to practice in the modern day. Buying a slave will make you rather unpopular with a lot of people and buying a Hebrew slave will attract the attention of humorless people from Mossad or Shin Bet.
 
MeganC said:
This is one of those Old Testament passages that would be impractical to practice in the modern day. Buying a slave will make you rather unpopular with a lot of people and buying a Hebrew slave will attract the attention of humorless people from Mossad or Shin Bet.
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Nah, all that's really different is that the time limit is now indefinite, rather than just seven years.

And most slaves don't have a clue anyway.


"Let those who falsely believe they are free, rattle their chains!"
 
NBTX11 said:
Fast fact. The KJV doesn't use the word slave. It nearly always uses the word servant instead. The word slave is used like 2 times in the entire KJV.
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I don't mind the word slave - depending on the circumstance. Let's say a thief was caught stealing. If he can't pay back what he stole - he becomes a slave to pay off his debt. Or let's say there is a daughter that has a boyfriend. That boyfriend took her virginity, and simply left. Well that man owes a hefty bride price to her father, since he took her virginity. He can't afford it? Then he becomes her father's slave until that debt is paid off.

And let's not forget - in the new testament writings of the apostles - you'll see them start off their letter's like this:

Romans 1:1
This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.

Slavery was not like what happened in the states a while ago. They are still guaranteed a sabbath day's of rest. Also, it's a limited time-frame and there are further protections:

Exodus 21:27
And an owner who knocks out the tooth of a male or female slave must let the slave go free to compensate for the tooth.

Ephesians 6:5-9
5 Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. 6 Try to please them all the time, not just when they are watching you. As slaves of Christ, do the will of God with all your heart. 7Work with enthusiasm, as though you were working for the Lord rather than for people. 8Remember that the Lord will reward each one of us for the good we do, whether we are slaves or free. 9 Masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Don’t threaten them; remember, you both have the same Master in heaven, and he has no favorites.
 
NBTX11 said:
Fast fact. The KJV doesn't use the word slave. It nearly always uses the word servant instead. The word slave is used like 2 times in the entire KJV.
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Romans 1:1
This letter is from Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, chosen by God to be an apostle and sent out to preach his Good News.

We have a debt ourselves. That debt is paid by Lord Jesus Christ (Yahushua the Messiah - Yah is salvation). So we're slaves to our Master - Lord Jesus Christ - who spilled his own blood as a ransom for his people. And "God is with Us" said it himself in Matthew 6:24 - "A man can not serve two masters."

I always love it when a pastor or priest today preach that God's commandments have been voided - so it's okay to break God's commandments - but if you dare break our man-made traditions and commandments - we'll politely ask you to leave our church. Once again - "A man can only serve one master." Even if that pastor or priest died for you - spilled his own blood on the cross - his blood wouldn't be worth anything. Because the Most High requires blood that originates from something that is "spotless and without defect." And since all of us have sinned - none of us fulfill what the Lord Jesus Christ (Yahushua the Messiah) - he alone is the spotless Lamb of Elohim.
 
OttoM said:
He can't afford it? Then he becomes her father's slave until that debt is paid off.
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Not necessarily.
More likely he is sold to another man to pay off his debt. Who would want to keep him around the family after he had taken the daughter’s virginity?
Yes, he does become a slave for a period of time.
 
MemeFan said:
Debt is payable in installements. So he can afford his new wife.
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God’s laws requires that a man to pays a bride price even if he decides he doesn’t want her as his wife. Bride price wasn’t cheap either. Sleeping with a prostitute is much much cheaper. This prevents whoredom in the land. This law is no longer politically correct, because feminist men and women don’t like the idea of a husband being the Master of his household.
 
MemeFan said:
Debt is payable in installements. So he can afford his new wife.
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What are you talking about?
Where do you find installment debt, if that was even applicable?
But it’s not applicable because he left, therefore no wife.
 
OttoM said:
Bride price wasn’t cheap either
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Yep, my understanding is about 2.5-3 years wages for a laborer.
Quite an incentive for keeping it in your pants… er, robe.
 
OttoM said:
God’s laws requires that a man to pays a bride price even if he decides he doesn’t want her as his wife. Bride price wasn’t cheap either. Sleeping with a prostitute is much much cheaper. This prevents whoredom in the land. This law is no longer politically correct, because feminist men and women don’t like the idea of a husband being the Master of his household.
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steve said:
What are you talking about?
Where do you find installment debt, if that was even applicable?
But it’s not applicable because he left, therefore no wife.
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Because there is no debt without credit.

Unless you are talking about token amount, credit is returned through time with multiple "giving money to creditor" events.
 
steve said:
Yep, my understanding is about 2.5-3 years wages for a laborer.
Quite an incentive for keeping it in your pants… er, robe.
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Exactly - why would anyone proceed with a virgin if he doesn’t intend on marrying her? Today, however, virgins give it away like Esau gave his birthright for some soup. Hence, whoredom in the land. There’s great wisdom in God’s laws.

It’s also politically correct for a man to be like Solomon - living the bachelor lifestyle - sleeping with hundreds of women (including virgins) over the course of his lifetime. Just as long as he doesn't do it righteously through marriage. But the wages of sin is death. If you try to do it righteously - according to God’s laws - you’re condemned by the majority. It’s a cross/stake most men have to carry, because that’s how this society is indoctrinated/programmed:

Ephesians 2:2
You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God.
 
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