Will do. Thank you, and God bless you as well brother.
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There is nothing in the Bible, start to finish, to support such a suggestion. It is therefore pure speculation. What we do know from the Bible is that there is demonic teaching from hypocritical liars that forbids marriage (1 Tim 4:1-3). Perhaps you should look for a spirit of monogamy-only!
Great response. I at least wanted to get some more feedback on this. Likely speculation, but possibly also a lie from a devil. Being that polygyny is so unpopular and misunderstood, it is also likely someone's interpretation involved in the matter.
But for me, I like to gather and sift through opinions, facts, scripture, to have an well loaded artillery against claims like these, if they are in fact incorrect. And too, I tend to prove all things before I say yay or nay. Like with this. So, I don't mean any harm by my prying just to be clear.
"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." Proverbs 18:13
"Prove all things; hold fast that which is good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21
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I think there most certainly is such a thing as a spirit of lust. It is one of Satan's most powerful tools to turn people astray.
That spirit then takes different forms or strategies depending on what is necessary to tempt a particular target. Most men whom Satan wishes to target with lust are easily led astray into pornography, adultery, or other such "normal" sexual temptations and sins. However, there are some men who are not as susceptible to such temptations and would immediately recognise them as being from Satan, and flee from them. They need to be tempted in a more subtle fashion, the temptation needs to be cloaked in more scriptural language. And I do think that, in some cases, this spirit of lust can manifest as a temptation to polygamy - pursued inappropriately.
I'm thinking of the man who realises "polygamy is ok" and then immediately jumps to getting any woman into his bed that he can persuade to, but calling it "polygamy" to excuse his promiscuity. This is not hypothetical - I have seen that in real life. And not just on this forum, I've seen it in person, in close friends in fact.
There is not a spirit of polygamy, as polygamy itself is not a sin that somebody can be tempted to. However it is a temptation to promiscuity - and that promiscuity is labelled "polygamy" to both dull the conscience of the sinner, and to validate the false belief that polygamy is sinful in all who observe them and see the mess they make of their lives in the name of "polygamy".
What is in a name?
A spirit of ______ , fill in the blank.
How does a spirit get a certain name?
Does the name have any importance?
Why was there such a dearth of spirit names in the Bible, but people can’t seem to cast out demons nowadays without knowing their “name”?
I contend that it’s all just a distraction of and by the enemy. Paying any attention to names is just empowering him and holds no useful purpose.
For example, look what is happening here, the plan of Yah is being questioned by someone who isn’t in favor of it because of the supposed name of a demon that someone cast out.
A spirit of ______ , fill in the blank.
How does a spirit get a certain name?
Does the name have any importance?
Why was there such a dearth of spirit names in the Bible, but people can’t seem to cast out demons nowadays without knowing their “name”?
I contend that it’s all just a distraction of and by the enemy. Paying any attention to names is just empowering him and holds no useful purpose.
For example, look what is happening here, the plan of Yah is being questioned by someone who isn’t in favor of it because of the supposed name of a demon that someone cast out.
I agree 100%! How can there be a spirit for what is technically just marriage. Very sound logic.
So as a quick side question to your thoughts, what do you think is the healthiest way to go about knowing you can have a second wife, and not be tempted by devils, as a man? Knowing how men are. To seek for yourself a wife in moderation, or just say, God it's up to you if you want me to have a wife and live with blinders over your eyes? Or any other third option that is an in-between.
Question, what was the healthy way you went about finding your first wife? Why is there a difference with finding another? Cheers
Another great point.
I like the purist approach to many topics such as this, the spiritual topic. Just stick to the scriptures alone. I do believe they have names like legion, or satan, but I'm not sure how we can get a hold of their names or what the necessity of it would be. I can also think of the lying spirit that was sent by God in 2 Chronicles 18:21. That spirit was called by the behavior it caused in people, but I'm not sure if we can even call it a devil or that it would change anything? For some denominations they believe they have the names of devils through experience of dealing with them. I too, am not sure that is sufficient for my belief.
For just about all the devils Jesus dealt with He didn't need to know their name like your saying. And as far as casting them out, He only says to up the ante by prayer and fasting, not by knowing who or what they are. I completely agree with you that it can be a stretch to go about thinking of it like that.
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God gave me my wife. I firmly believe that. I was not looking for her at all. There were many signs and wonders. She was also hit by the light of Christ, and turned from atheism. Her heart was stone before but then she could feel again.
With that being said, I don't think it is wrong if a man seeks a wife, or if he finds he loves a woman and wants to take her for a wife. In today's world a man finds a second woman he loves and he's met with the obstacle of who to keep and who to let go, which in my belief is the sin, when he forsakes his family for a woman. This has recently happened to a good friend of ours, and when I first brought up to my wife that a man can have more than one wife--it could of been avoided if he knew better.
And like your pretty much saying, I think those that would believe that there is such a spirit are presupposing that having more than one wife is wrong. It requires you to understand marriage incorrectly. There'd have to equally be a spirit of monogamy, which is just silly.
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Amen. A prudent wife is from the Lord (Proverbs 19:14). He has given me two and I thank Him constantly.
I would also like to add a thought I had, about the spiritual discussion, would devils desire men to marry? Wouldn't they rather intend us not to marry, and fornicate instead and whoremonger? Wouldn't their goal then be to keep us out of marriage, not bring us into it? They'd rather us burn wouldn't they?
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."
1 Corinthians 7:9
"But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn."
1 Corinthians 7:9
Great way to see it. Thank you, you are a great help to me. Both of your wives are gifts from above. You did not limit what God was willing to give you.
On the contrary. Forbidding marriage (when God has not) is specifically warned against as a doctrine of devils.
So if there is any unclean spirit concerning marriage, we can be fairly certain there’s an unholy spirit of monogamy only.
That is the most balanced way to deal with finding a second wife, in my opinion.
Many guys approach the concept in the same way that they do getting a car. Once the decision has been made to get one, they look around at the cars that are available and choose the one that they want (that is within their price range).
It doesn’t work that way with second wives.
Very few available women are interested in being second wives, and of those, most aren’t a fit for a particular family. Many families have gone decades without finding one that fits. There may be the perfect one out there for a particular family, but her biases may keep her from her calling.
One of our biggest jobs is to bring enlightenment to our culture about this truth even if a match isn’t found.
Regarding the idea of "a spirit of polygamy".
Marriage is God's idea. He is the One who instituted it at creation. He clearly treats polygyny as marriage (not immorality or adultery). He Himself talks about being married to two sisters simultaneously (Judah and Samaria).
Might we be talking about not "a spirit" but rather the Holy Spirit Himself?
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Like @FollowingHim mentioned, satan might use the truth about polygamy when tempting Christian men towards lust, ingratitude, or other things in a more subtle way.
Marriage is God's idea. He is the One who instituted it at creation. He clearly treats polygyny as marriage (not immorality or adultery). He Himself talks about being married to two sisters simultaneously (Judah and Samaria).
Might we be talking about not "a spirit" but rather the Holy Spirit Himself?
Separately
Like @FollowingHim mentioned, satan might use the truth about polygamy when tempting Christian men towards lust, ingratitude, or other things in a more subtle way.
Very definitely, if he can’t stop polygyny he will do his best to destroy the concept by tempting people into perverting it.
I have long taught that he both hates and fears this truth and will draw inappropriate people into it in order to discredit it.
To pursue the life God has in front of you already, while having your eyes open, but without wasting effort hunting for a person that is so rare that you'll only find her if God brings her to you anyway. Just have your eyes open enough to ensure you'll notice if God does bring her into your life.