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Meat WHY is polygyny so important?

All I was trying to say, originally, was that I can understand why Communication would have perceived y’all’s view as being that covering is necessary for salvation. I am not saying that is what you guys believe, but I kind of thought that’s what you believed. Other people have made statements to me privately indicating that they thought that’s what you believed, as well. My wife thought that too. I didn’t correct them, because I also thought that is what you guys believed. When I used the mirror metaphor, all I meant was, I was just telling Steve what non- Hebrew roots folks thought you guys believed based on things that have been said in the past. It was more-so a general impression. So, in my original comment, all I was trying to do was, say “cut the guy a little slack” because I can understand his apparent misconception of what you believe. It wasn’t an attack on anyone, and I wasn’t insinuating that was what you or anyone else believed. It’s merely what myself and others thought might be the case. I wasn’t projecting that on anyone. It wasn’t meant as an attack. But your extreme over-analyzing of it, turned it into something it wasn’t. It seemed like everyone attacked me and projected ill-intent on my original post, which wasn’t meant to be an attack on anyone.

OK; thanks for your further explanation. I personally am willing to accept that you hypothesized that Communication may have come to the conclusion (based on what, though, I still do not know) that someone was asserting that covering was a requirement for salvation. However, . . .

Ok now, why did you jump to the accusation that I was white-knighting for Communication, how did you get that out of what I said??

I understand that you brought your own understanding of Hebrew Roots people considering Torah Keeping as a requirement for salvation (I have wondered the same thing myself, but, I will add, I wonder the same thing about New-Testament Protestants and Catholics who often seem to claim that exhibiting fruit-of-the-Spirit behaviors is the only way to demonstrate evidence that one is saved) into this discussion, so I do get how that bias could have colored the manner in which you perceived that Communication might have perceived that someone was asserting that all women need covering in order to receive salvation. Even setting aside, though, the fact that no one made that assertion, what led me to the conclusion that you were white-knighting for Communication was that you were rushing to his defense by positing a hypothetical that Communication hadn't posited himself. Communication injected salvation into the discussion, and then you jumped in to assert that it was reasonable for him to conclude something he hadn't asserted he'd concluded. To me, Communication's assertion that injected salvation into the mix, combined with his general approach to these discussions, came across as purposeful deflection along a clear agenda to discredit biblical polygamy. I simply don't see him as an innocent in all of this, much less an innocent victim. And he's certainly not a damsel in distress.

So that's where I'm coming from about you being a white knight.

It appears, though, that you're saying that you didn't mean to assert the mirror metaphor as an assertion that what was in the mirror was a reflection of what was actually happening -- just that you could understand how Communication might be looking in the mirror and seeing an illusion that you considered an easy mistake to make. If so, we're all just miscommunicating, but that does presuppose that you didn't mean that the Hebrew Roots folks shouldn't get upset when people conclude that they believe that covering is necessary for salvation but were instead just saying that you were the messenger informing the Hebrew Roots people that an understandable misperception was occurring on Communication's part.

Is it really that easy to stir up strife among you all?

If Satan actually wanted to divide you guys, clearly he'd find it rather easy. Is that what you want? If not, what are you going to do about it?

Given that I've never been fitted for a halo, I'll take the slings and arrows on this one: I'll acknowledge that I do engage in strife from time to time. When some people do that, it's called iron sharpening iron; when others do it, it's called being Satan's bitch.

What am I going to do about it? Probably what I always do: intend to avoid most strife, acknowledge it when I'm in it, and re-commit to working to minimize it. On the other hand, I'm going to remain just as committed to pointing out fairy tales when I hear them being dispensed. I don't like starting trouble, but I consider it to be cowardice when nonsense is being peddled as gospel.

And why is it that those who were stirred up are chastised but the eye-poker gets further white-knighted? It seems a bit akin to condemning people for crying when someone improperly pepper sprays them.

What won't be useful long-term is for all of us to just step back and pretend that the eye wasn't poked or that some people didn't mistakenly defend the eye poker.
 
Jude 1:3 (KJV)
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Every one of us has a responsibility to contend for the faith as they understand it.
What sucks is when people attack other people’s understanding of their faith. That is what happened here.
Only bullies denigrate someone who provides pushback.
 
Jude 1:3 (KJV)
Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

Every one of us has a responsibility to contend for the faith as they understand it.
What sucks is when people attack other people’s understanding of their faith. That is what happened here.
Only bullies denigrate someone who provides pushback.
Booyah!
 
Did you ever walk up to a fight and try to figure it out without getting into the scrap yourself? Sorry I am so late to the event. I am not in ya'lls weight class but I am concerned about the end goal here. Strong men all around and I admire the tenacity but something seems amiss. I was a soccer and football player as a kid but this rugby thing has me baffled. Just trying to understand Gents. -M
 
So anyway, back to the OP:

The Church (and the nation) need strong families. Strong marriages are needed for strong families.

It may be possible to really understand Biblical marriage without an understanding of polygyny, but I think if you understand Biblical polygyny then for sure you understand Biblical marriage, and roles and responsibilities therein. That has been the big plus for me (us) in this journey.

Further to really understand the relationship of Christ and the church or even more generally between God and man, you need to understand marriage. So it really does go to the core of the faith, whether you intend to actually practice it, or not.

What he said. And that coming from the heretic in the group.

Out of curiosity, can anyone give me a simpleton's level thumbnail sketch of Torah observant beyond the obvious stuff that even I know about dietary restrictions and keeping the sabbath. Especially when it is Christians doing it.
 
Out of curiosity, can anyone give me a simpleton's level thumbnail sketch of Torah observant beyond the obvious stuff that even I know about dietary restrictions and keeping the sabbath. Especially when it is Christians doing it.

Bro, that is like a neon sign for going OT, again... lol.

The simple answer is, 'Taking ALL of Scripture seriously demands dealling with verses that say the Torah is truth and is forever, as well as verses that say obedience brings blessings, life, and peace. Who wouldn't want that?'

Seriously. It's a great question worthy of exploring. Feel free to ask in a dedicated post. ;)
 
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