Why does the Husband Not Need Permission from his Wife?

[NBTX11]

first wife can sue you for divorce and justify it by demonstrating your adultery

Except it’s not adultery.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Treating some women as broodmares can be a necessary process of integrating them into a family. In the West the woman is always free to leave but if she wants to be part of a patriarchal family then she has to live by those expectations.

For some women this is exactly perfect. It's what they need is to have the uncertainty of secular feminism replaced by the certainty of religious patriarchy.

For others not so much. Most of them would never join such a family in the first place.

Yet the truth remains that for some women this life can be just what they needed even if they chafe against it at first.

MeganC, help me out here... What does it look like to treat a woman as a broodmare? We have horses and when one is treated like a broodmare they are usually left in the pasture and never worked aside from having foals. These broodmares tend to get a bit hard to handle as they are not accustom to being told what to do. Never led, they learn to lead themselves wherever they want to go. Never handled, they tend to shy from human touch...

I suspect that this is not meaning of a broodmare in your statement. How would you define treating a woman as a broodmare?

Thanks!!!

 

[paterfamilias]

MeganC, help me out here... What does it look like to treat a woman as a broodmare? We have horses and when one is treated like a broodmare they are usually left in the pasture and never worked aside from having foals. These broodmares tend to get a bit hard to handle as they are not accustom to being told what to do. Never led, they learn to lead themselves wherever they want to go. Never handled, they tend to shy from human touch...

I suspect that this is not meaning of a broodmare in your statement. How would you define treating a woman as a broodmare?

Thanks!!!

Well...there is this book all the leftist girls REALLY can't stop talking about. Something about breeding pens, orange man, red cloaks and big bonnets. It is very complicated.

For sane woman, I am fairly certain means, get your new wife pregnant immediately and keep her so for a while.
Oh the horror of living a natural life together and growing the family etc etc

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Well...there is this book all the leftist girls REALLY can't stop talking about. Something about breeding pens, orange man, red cloaks and big bonnets. It is very complicated.

For sane woman, I am fairly certain means, get your new wife pregnant immediately and keep her so for a while.
Oh the horror of living a natural life together and growing the family etc etc

I would be so honored to have a SW that would be willing to live a natural life make babies with me. My current wife gave me two. That was all that she could do. She would have loved to give me more but that is not how it played out. She is a great mom to them and I would hope that if I married another she would be also. But, broodmare? Nah, I would want to have AND TO HOLD. I would want her close not far off. I would want her to desire my companionship and touch. Not out to pasture because it is hard to tease and pester someone if they are not there to enjoy it.

 

[paterfamilias]

I would be so honored to have a SW that would be willing to live a natural life make babies with me. My current wife gave me two. That was all that she could do. She would have loved to give me more but that is not how it played out. She is a great mom to them and I would hope that if I married another she would be also. But, broodmare? Nah, I would want to have AND TO HOLD. I would want her close not far off. I would want her to desire my companionship and touch. Not out to pasture because it is hard to tease and pester someone if they are not there to enjoy it.

I definitely agree with the tease and pester part. Very much part of my normal love language. Throw in chasing, leering and leg pulling will get you the precise dialect.

That said, the brood mare thing is just the super common creepy what-bloody-ever wave feminist self contradictory nonsense that is popular in the moment fetishism.

While I could not be with that sort without a blue ribbon tier conversion, I do understand to an extent that narrative.
They have a jumble of nonsense in their heads that places them in an evolutionary mismatch and they are trying to filter their normal natural desires through layers of lies, inconsistencies and a sticky toffee nightmare of mouth foaming insanity.

 

[The Revolting Man]

MeganC, help me out here... What does it look like to treat a woman as a broodmare? We have horses and when one is treated like a broodmare they are usually left in the pasture and never worked aside from having foals. These broodmares tend to get a bit hard to handle as they are not accustom to being told what to do. Never led, they learn to lead themselves wherever they want to go. Never handled, they tend to shy from human touch...

I suspect that this is not meaning of a broodmare in your statement. How would you define treating a woman as a broodmare?

Thanks!!!

You’re confusing the metaphor; your brood mares would probably treat the stallion quite well. An artificial outside authority has a harder time inserting itself. Being a brood are is making your horses more atune to the natural border.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

You’re confusing the metaphor; your brood mares would probably treat the stallion quite well. An artificial outside authority has a harder time inserting itself. Being a brood are is making your horses more atune to the natural border.

That is a very good point! I was inserting myself into the metaphor as the outsider as that is how it is with real horses but, it is a metaphor. lol
Yep. The Stallion would likely nip their heels and chase them around the pasture for fun and they would heed his beck and call.

Ahhh... Those stallions do not know how good they have it and me over here throwing them hay just in case they want some variety in their diet!!!!

 

[Maia]

We should strive to be kind to everyone, our wives and children included. But NEVER at the cost of subordinating ourselves to them. That would be introducing confusion to everyone involved.

Side Note: It can be uncomfortable to us men to fully embrace our proper role when it means putting ourselves first over the demands of others. In Western culture, it is expected that men are to bow down to the desires of the females and children around them. To truly be a man may seem like it is self centered but it is the natural order that God established. Our societal norms has to be reversed starting with our individual lives first. Others will learn from observation and forums like this one.

Sorry, but that seems like a very red neck, blue collar world view.

In the end leadership is not dependent on a penis or vagina, but the success one has in life. Now, different people, groups might have different criteria. For some it might simply be money, for others it might be how mich time they can negotiate with their employer to not work (we have one annoying employee who spends half the year in Costa Rica, he he talented enough that we give him that freedom)

 

[Maia]

It’s modern day Ashtoreth and Baal worship. “Happy wife, happy life.” If the husband does not submit to his wife’s will - she can simply go to the state (Baal), and they together can make life miserable for the husband. This has completely engulfed western society and thinking. So that’s why there are broken households and kids growing up broken as well. No father figure in the house. He has been kicked out. Just like they kicked out the Heavenly Father in the public schooling - so too in homes throughout western civilization.

Ironic. You post about Ba'al and Ashtoreth, and at the same time you have a belief in seeing patterns and symbolism in numbers, which is on the same level as tarot cards, which would be considered false worship by many.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Sorry, but that seems like a very red neck, blue collar world view.

In the end leadership is not dependent on a penis or vagina, but the success one has in life. Now, different people, groups might have different criteria. For some it might simply be money, for others it might be how mich time they can negotiate with their employer to not work (we have one annoying employee who spends half the year in Costa Rica, he he talented enough that we give him that freedom)

Ahh... Feminism has entered the convo... Hello there...

Welcome to Biblical Families! There is an interesting concept known as headship God established roles for families. Within a family, husbands are the leaders and not the wives or children.

The Most High
Yeshua
The Husband
Wives
Children

 

[The Revolting Man]

Ahh... Feminism has entered the convo... Hello there...

Welcome to Biblical Families! There is an interesting concept known as headship God established roles for families. Within a family, husbands are the leaders and not the wives or children.

The Most High
Yeshua
The Husband
Wives
Children

@Maia has been with us for a while now. She is not a feminist.

Although I will say Maia, accusing someone of blue collar thinking would be considered a compliment to most of us.

 

[Maia]

Ahh... Feminism has entered the convo... Hello there...

Welcome to Biblical Families! There is an interesting concept known as headship God established roles for families. Within a family, husbands are the leaders and not the wives or children.

The Most High
Yeshua
The Husband
Wives
Children

The problem is a lot of men assume that scripture to be empowerment, a privilege given to them, when it should be a responsibility, a burden. But most do not see it that way, and most will fail.

My experience with men "leading" at like a school project, is that if I want something done well, I need to do it myself. And if I look at the bros with their $80,000 and boats on 60 months leases, they are not leading, they are an example at how to fail in life.

I am not sure you can just file most people into a descriptive categories. Do I have some attributes of a feminist? Probably, but I would not define me as such.

Cars are considered more a macho thing, but I quite enjoy car culture. It might be a bit audacious, and arrogant, but I recon that I could beat anyone here on a track day, especially in a manual transmission car, but then again my dad taught me to heel and toe when I was 6 or so in a kart.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

most do not see it that way, and most will fail.

This is an example of the feminist mindset that I am referring to ...

Find a smaller paint brush or it IS feminism...

 

[Maia]

How is that a feminist mindset?

I have read that most Americans earning $150,000 per year are living paycheck to paycheck. Now, I realize that $150k is not what is used to be, but still if you are not able to get by with 150k you have only to look into the mirror and see the responsible one. A lot of that IS going to be because of McMansions, boats, and car payments.

One cannot be leader of a household when one is financially illiterate. Considering that the average American net worth is a negative number, there are very few leaders in the USA.

 

[steve]

How is that a feminist mindset?

I have read that most Americans earning $150,000 per year are living paycheck to paycheck. Now, I realize that $150k is not what is used to be, but still if you are not able to get by with 150k you have only to look into the mirror and see the responsible one. A lot of that IS going to be because of McMansions, boats, and car payments.

One cannot be leader of a household when one is financially illiterate. Considering that the average American net worth is a negative number, there are very few leaders in the USA.

I can understand your objection to being lumped in with the feminists, but you keep giving examples of some men who are not doing things right as if they exemplify patriarchs.

 

[Maia]

I can understand your objection to being lumped in with the feminists, but you keep giving examples of some men who are not doing things right as if they exemplify patriarchs.

Because if I look out at the world, that is my assessment, I do not say they do not exist. I just came back from the Paddock Club of the Formula 1 GP in Las Vegas there were many men there who, I presume, could be leaders. Generally not the drivers, there is something......Je ne sais quoi, something missing from them.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

How is that a feminist mindset?

I have read that most Americans earning $150,000 per year are living paycheck to paycheck. Now, I realize that $150k is not what is used to be, but still if you are not able to get by with 150k you have only to look into the mirror and see the responsible one. A lot of that IS going to be because of McMansions, boats, and car payments.

One cannot be leader of a household when one is financially illiterate. Considering that the average American net worth is a negative number, there are very few leaders in the USA.

Feminist seek to subvert the roles that God gave husbands and wives. This is in direct opposition to God's order as he established it making feminism in opposition to God himself. This is why feminism is evil. It causes people to either lower their authority to that of their wives or it causes their wives to raise themselves up above their husbands authority. Either way it throws the balance out of whack and men fail to lead and take responsibility for outcomes. This was evident with Adam as he wanted to blame Eve for giving him what he knew was forbidden fruit. That was a failure of leadership on his part.

The reason I cited what was stated as an example of feminism is because of what was stated. Firstly, "In the end leadership is not dependent on a penis or vagina, but the success one has in life" And then essentially, "most men will fail". And then add to this the last statement, "One cannot be leader of a household when one is financially illiterate."

In no way does poor leadership cause one to no longer be the leader. There are many homes in which there is poor leadership and it is evident, yet that does not mean the role shifts to another automatically.

Within business, leadership roles are granted to people for varied reasons but within a marriage, God ordains that the leadership role goes to the husband, for better or for worse.

Anyone that seeks to change that is trying to subvert God's order...

 

[Maia]

I think that many men are using God's word for their own personal Agenda (which would be a sin) to put them in a position that they do not deserve. They use the bible as the raison d'être that they should lead. When they have not demonstrated that they able to lead, or have, in fact, demonstrated that they are incompetent.

Sorry, but you cannot have a bro with a 60 month car payment as head of the household.

 

[steve]

Because if I look out at the world, that is my assessment, I do not say they do not exist. I just came back from the Paddock Club of the Formula 1 GP in Las Vegas there were many men there who, I presume, could be leaders. Generally not the drivers, there is something......Je ne sais quoi, something missing from them.

Just like women, men must be looked at one at a time.
The good ones must be celebrated, as opposed to focusing on the inadequate ones.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Sorry, but you cannot have a bro with a 60 month car payment as head of the household.

And if he has a 60 month car payment plan, who should be the head of the household??