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What would you do?

Cecil, agreed on the cooperation statement. I would say that there are certainly those who attempt to force submission. Perhaps, this would work for a while but the relationship would (likely) not be love based. Based on the overall responses I believe we likely agree that the man is to truly focus on loving his wife. Much in the same way that God doesn't force us to follow him, we choose to submit (yield) to his authority and allow him full reign in our lives.

That said, I still struggle at times to understand why it states submit to one another (not exact quote) and what that should look like. Is mutual submission when the husband loves and the wife respects? In other words, if I love my wife so much that she truly feels loved and secure in that love then, when I in love, make a request or ask something of her, she, out of respect responds because she knows I'm asking with her best interests in mind?
 
submit yourselves, from Strongs:
Outline of Biblical Usage

1) to arrange under, to subordinate

2) to subject, put in subjection

3) to subject one's self, obey

4) to submit to one's control

5) to yield to one's admonition or advice

6) to obey, be subject

This word was a Greek military term meaning "to arrange [troop divisions] in a military fashion under the command of a leader". In non-military use, it was "a voluntary attitude of giving in, cooperating, assuming responsibility, and carrying a burden".
with the exception of the "giving in" part (and there are plenty of times where it is a good idea, but not as a policy), that last statement is also my goal as the leader of our household.
 
steve said:
from the context it would seem that he meant more of the idea of discipling her rather than disciplining her.
drawing her into the relationship that he recognizes they need rather than making it about requirements.
please correct me if i am wrong, samuel.

on another note, from what i read in mary's response (and this is not the men's section, so all reasonable responses are welcome :D ), she appears to be writing about a possible parallel situation with no direct knowledge of gill's situation.
am i correct in this assumption?
lol
steve, it looked to me like gill was speaking for a "friend", therefore,
he may have spoken to the "someone" i know... however,
i doubt it is the same couple....
just a painfully COMMON set of circumstances unfortunately
 
Well I sent him this:

Biblical laws for a successful marriage: If you believe in YHWY then you have to follow all of the scripture not just the parts you like! To do so means you are not a true believer!

1 Corinthians 7:3-9 ESV

The husband should give to his wife her conjugal rights, and likewise the wife to her husband. For the wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. Now as a concession, not a command, I say this. I wish that all were as I myself am. But each has his own gift from God, one of one kind and one of another. ...

1 Peter 3:1-6 ESV

Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, when they see your respectful and pure conduct. Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, ...

1 Corinthians 7:13-16 ESV

If any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever, and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband is made holy because of his wife, and the unbelieving wife is made holy because of her husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbelieving partner separates, let it be so. In such cases the brother or sister is not enslaved. God has called you to peace. For how do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?

Titus 2:4-5 ESV

And so train the young women to love their husbands and children, to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind, and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled.

Ephesians 5:22-33 ESV

Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, ...

1 Corinthians 7:5 ESV

Do not deprive one another, except perhaps by agreement for a limited time, that you may devote yourselves to prayer; but then come together again, so that Satan may not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

1 Timothy 5:8 ESV

But if anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for members of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

Ephesians 5:1-33 ESV

Therefore be imitators of God, as beloved children. And walk in love, as Christ loved us and gave himself up for us, a fragrant offering and sacrifice to God. But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. ...

Colossians 3:18 ESV

Wives, submit to your husbands, as is fitting in the Lord.

Ephesians 5:33 ESV

However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

Genesis 1:28 ESV

And God blessed them. And God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”

Proverbs 31:1-31 ESV

The words of King Lemuel. An oracle that his mother taught him: What are you doing, my son? What are you doing, son of my womb? What are you doing, son of my vows? Do not give your strength to women, your ways to those who destroy kings. It is not for kings, O Lemuel, it is not for kings to drink wine, or for rulers to take strong drink, lest they drink and forget what has been decreed and pervert the rights of all the afflicted. ...

Colossians 3:1 ESV

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God.

Proverbs 14:1 ESV

The wisest of women builds her house, but folly with her own hands tears it down.

Galatians 5:1 ESV

For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

1 Corinthians 11:3 ESV

But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God.

John 3:20 ESV

For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.

Matthew 19:6 ESV

So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man separate.”

Romans 12:1 ESV

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

Mark 10:12 ESV

And if she divorces her husband and marries another, she commits adultery.”

Matthew 12:15 ESV

Jesus, aware of this, withdrew from there. And many followed him, and he healed them all

Song of Solomon 4:10-11 ESV

How beautiful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much better is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your oils than any spice! Your lips drip nectar, my bride; honey and milk are under your tongue; the fragrance of your garments is like the fragrance of Lebanon.

Genesis 2:1-25 ESV

Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done, and he rested on the seventh day from all his work that he had done. So God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it God rested from all his work that he had done in creation. These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. When no bush of the field was yet in the land and no small plant of the field had yet sprung up—for the Lord God had not caused it to rain on the land, and there was no man to work the ground, ...

1 Timothy 2:12 ESV

I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet.

1 Corinthians 11:1-34 ESV

Be imitators of me, as I am of Christ. Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wife is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, but every wife who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. ...

Romans 12:17 ESV

Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.

Genesis 2:23 ESV

Then the man said, “This at last is bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.”

James 1:5 ESV

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given

Matthew 10:36 ESV

And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

Matthew 5:28 ESV

But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lustful intent has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

Song of Solomon 4:11 ESV

Your lips drip nectar, my bride; honey and milk are under your tongue; the fragrance of your garments is like the fragrance of Lebanon.

Genesis 2:24 ESV

Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

John 3:19 ESV

And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil.

Matthew 19:9 ESV

And I say to you: whoever divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another, commits adultery.”

Matthew 19:5 ESV

And said, ‘Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?

Matthew 10:23 ESV

When they persecute you in one town, flee to the next, for truly, I say to you, you will not have gone through all the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

Matthew 5:27 ESV

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’


Hosea 1:2 ESV

When the Lord first spoke through Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea, “Go, take to yourself a wife of whoredom and have children of whoredom, for the land commits great whoredom by forsaking the Lord.”

Proverbs 31:30 ESV

Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the Lord is to be praised.

Galatians 3:28 ESV

There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

1 Corinthians 9:27 ESV

But I discipline my body and keep it under control, lest after preaching to others I myself should be disqualified.

Romans 8:11 ESV

If the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, he who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through his Spirit who dwells in you.

Genesis 3:16 ESV

To the woman he said, “I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring forth children. Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over you.”
 
chmessiwife2b said:
.... :shock:
i am not understanding what the shock might be about, please help me understand what my post communicated to you so that if i have inadvertently communicated a misunderstanding i can correct it.
 
steve said:
chmessiwife2b said:
.... :shock:
i am not understanding what the shock might be about, please help me understand what my post communicated to you so that if i have inadvertently communicated a misunderstanding i can correct it.
i had to edit what i wrote but ended up writing a new comment (because i am not good at this computer stuff :oops: ) then when i tried to get rid of the first comment, it told me i had to "put some characters in the box", lol, so ..... :roll: ....i put something :o ...sorry for the confusion
 
:)
 
We are to love our wives as Christ loved the Church. Everyone Christ was given by the Father is covered by His sacrifice, with no exceptions, Satan can't separate even one from His love and Grace. Christ's Love is not conditional, all are saved by grace so we know no one that was covered by him did anything to deserve the love. That being said, when giving her the title of "wife" I would be saying, this women was created by God to be my wife. The Creator is the one who is asking me to love her and I have no doubt, God has earned every once of Love I have to give her and then some.

So I would do just that. I would love her as much as I possible could and every day, seek for more ways in which I could love her. The bible says, what God has joined together, let not man put asunder. I would not want to be the man that put it asunder, esp with the reasons I would do so all coming back to the same thing. "Father, I failed at doing what you asked me to do". With all that being said, we all know with love comes correction. In love I would do all I could to help her grow into being the best wife and person she could be. I would never abandon her through this proses, therefore I could put no stipulations that would result in me abandoning her. At the end of each day, I would thank God that he intrusted me with her and that he seen fit and trusted me enough to help her over such a hurdle.
 
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