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Ultimatum

This may not be the best way to ease my way back into participation at this web site after a 3-week full absence and a couple months of mostly being absent . . . but . . . I know I can't possibly be the only as-of-yet-non-plural husband here who has heard these same door-slamming statements from his wife. Some of it is nanny-nanny-boo-boo territory (if you think I'm being too harsh, just visualize a woman drowning out the world with her fingers in her ears saying she won't read more, that a particular lifestyle will send her to the looney bin, or stating that he can't make her even if it is in Scripture), and in my own case I associate hearing those you-can't-make-me-think-this-is-OK statements with my own insufficiently-developed status as a proper leader; I have left undone responsibilities of mine related to the full nurturing of the family I already have. However, that last one about how we're supposedly just trying to use God and The Bible for our own benefit no matter how much it supposedly hurts our loved ones just begs for me to risk being redundant by restating something many of you have already heard, which is my response to the accusation that as a man I'm just unfairly distorting Scripture to satisfy my desire to have approved sexual variety; it has two parts:
  • There is always something disingenuous about a female human being throwing out the victim card when it comes to how to properly structure the family in modern-day America, especially as concerns the husband/wife relationship, because both women as a gender and women as individuals have, generally speaking, not shied away in recent decades from regular reworking of the supposedly appropriate structure of the family for the purpose of advancing the interests of women over those of men. Everything they want is portrayed as falling into one of the following categories, all of which are good reasons:
    • Because it's good for the children.
    • Because they just want to avoid social stigma.
    • Because of past oppression of women.
    • Because men are insensitive brutes.
    • Because women are emotionally superior to men.
  • The assertion itself is a trap, designed to inspire a man to prove that he isn't doing it for the sex, and it's quite common for men to get sucked into articulating all the ways in which he has righteous (read: female) rationales for wanting to expand his family with another wife. Some men even go so far as to first convince their (1st) wives that sex has nothing to do with why they want (more) wives, which has the risk of being followed by actually believing that nonsense themselves, which leads to choosing wives those men don't even really want to be married to in order to prove to their (1st) wives that they weren't doing it for the sex. My vote is to refrain from engaging in any discussion about sexual desires until many other issues are untangled and fully processed, but before those get accomplished, it is wholly appropriate to point out something that apparently gets lost on most women: as men, we do not take on wives primarily for the purpose of getting laid. This is true even with our first wives. Certainly, both partners enter into marriage to a significant extent due to the motivation to establish a sexual relationship, but even in randier-than-average relationships sex takes up far less than 10% of the potential time a couple has together.
These are things, though, that are best mostly pondered privately or discussed with people who already agree with you rather than argued about with those who don't. However, it is entirely reasonable for good men to rest easy in the knowledge that most men marry women because they love women, because they want to protect women, because they want to care for women, and because they want to properly and lovingly lead women. These are reasons characterized by responsibility, compassion and contribution -- not reasons of selfishness.
I don't know I want to cheer or sob uncontrolably. That was great!
 
In my study this morning I found these passages and it made me think of the many of us who have taken vows with a spouse not truly understanding what it meant. in Leviticus 5 :
4“Or suppose you make a foolish vow of any kind, whether its purpose is for good or for bad. When you realize its foolishness, you must admit your guilt.
5“When you become aware of your guilt in any of these ways, you must confess your sin
 
In my study this morning I found these passages and it made me think of the many of us who have taken vows with a spouse not truly understanding what it meant. in Leviticus 5 :
4“Or suppose you make a foolish vow of any kind, whether its purpose is for good or for bad. When you realize its foolishness, you must admit your guilt.
5“When you become aware of your guilt in any of these ways, you must confess your sin

Isn't it amazing how we have a loving God that provides ways for us out of the foolish things we do.
 
In my study this morning I found these passages and it made me think of the many of us who have taken vows with a spouse not truly understanding what it meant. in Leviticus 5 :
4“Or suppose you make a foolish vow of any kind, whether its purpose is for good or for bad. When you realize its foolishness, you must admit your guilt.
5“When you become aware of your guilt in any of these ways, you must confess your sin

Thanks for that!

Lev 5:
1 ‘If a person sins in hearing the utterance of an oath, and is a witness, whether he has seen or known of the matter—if he does not tell it, he bears guilt.
2 ‘Or if a person touches any unclean thing, whether it is the carcass of an unclean beast, or the carcass of unclean livestock, or the carcass of unclean creeping things, and he is unaware of it, he also shall be unclean and guilty. 3 Or if he touches human uncleanness—whatever uncleanness with which a man may be defiled, and he is unaware of it—when he realizes it, then he shall be guilty.
4 ‘Or if a person swears, speaking thoughtlessly with his lips to do evil or to do good, whatever it is that a man may pronounce by an oath, and he is unaware of it—when he realizes it, then he shall be guilty in any of these matters.
5 ‘And it shall be, when he is guilty in any of these matters, that he shall confess that he has sinned in that thing; 6 and he shall bring his trespass offering to the Lord for his sin which he has committed, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats as a sin offering. So the priest shall make atonement for him concerning his sin.

Although I'm not sure how one sins in hearing an oath (v 1).

But overall that reminds me of what Christ said in Matthew 5:

33 “Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.’ 34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; 35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.

and James 4:

13Go to now, ye that say, To day or to morrow we will go into such a city, and continue there a year, and buy and sell, and get gain: 14Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanisheth away. 15For that ye ought to say, If the Lord will, we shall live, and do this, or that. 16But now ye rejoice in your boastings: all such rejoicing is evil.

Not sure what that means for marital vows though.
 
Thanks for that!

Lev 5:


Although I'm not sure how one sins in hearing an oath (v 1).

But overall that reminds me of what Christ said in Matthew 5:



and James 4:



Not sure what that means for marital vows though.
Many of us have said vows vowing to forsake all others. For men, who have said this in their vows to take a second wife you are breaking your vow. For a woman who has had this in her vows along with her husband it is closing a door to having a "sister wife" and her husband is bound to that not only to God but to her as well.

I have heard of couples that have together gone before God and said new vows to one another. They ... Husband and wife were both in agreement.
 
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