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[DaPastor]

Da Pastor:

1. Yes, Christ body is His members.
2. However, His members are actively supporting the vision of Christ for the local church. This is why Paul was ordaining elders in local churches. Paul understood the goal of Christ. He taught that elders are the key to a local church. A church without ordained elders is out of order according to Paul.
3. I never mentioned a building. I mentioned a body of believers under the oversight of a local eldership.

Well what if you have people who want to go off and missionaries, are they wrong for hitting the streets, no God is with them as well, Ezekial, Jeremiah, and Jesus all were speaking to a people from everywhere, they had God speak to them directly, they were under no one but God.

1. If they are ordained Elders, then of course, they should go off and start a church.
2. Ezekiel, Jeremiah, and Jesus were before the Church age.

This is a popular false doctrine, but the facts are that if one is not associated with a local church, they are not fully following the will and vision of Christ.

 

[sharonr]

Well keep your opinions to yourself concerning my husband and calling him the devil, because God led him out of the church. Children of God are led by his spirit. The church can blind us from hearing the truth, because we under their doctrine. Many false prophets, and antichrist have gone forth, look on youtube.

 

[DaPastor]

The Devil hates the church. This is why Jesus said that the gates of hell will not prevail over His Church, a local assembly of believers set in order by those who have been properly ordained: For this cause left I thee in Crete, that thou shouldest set in order the things that are wanting, and ordain elders in every city, as I had appointed thee: Titus 1:5

 

[sharonr]

Da Pastor

This is a popular false doctrine, but the facts are that if one is not associated with a local church, they are not fully following the will and vision of Christ.

Get that mess out of here, who are you to stand in the place of God.

 

[DaPastor]

Well keep your opinions to yourself concerning my husband and calling him the devil, because God led him out of the church. Children of God are led by his spirit. The church can blind us from hearing the truth, because we under their doctrine. Many false prophets, and antichrist have gone forth, look on youtube.

The fact of the matter is that God does not lead people away from HIS Church. False prophets teach against His Word, and His Word is PRO local assembly with ordained leadership - sorry! Finding a church does not mean that you have to agree with everything 100%. It means that you generally agree and can flow with the leadership.

 

[sharonr]

Jesus had disciples and many of his disciples followed him, in the wilderness, on the streets, in the cities. There is nothing wrong with attending church it is just not where God has lead us.

 

[DaPastor]

Da Pastor

This is a popular false doctrine, but the facts are that if one is not associated with a local church, they are not fully following the will and vision of Christ.

Get that mess out of here, who are you to stand in the place of God.

Actually, you are standing in the place of God by saying that God told someone to disobey His Word. I have only given you His Word!

 

[DaPastor]

Jesus had disciples and many of his disciples followed him, in the wilderness, on the streets, in the cities. There is nothing wrong with attending church it is just not where God has lead us.

Sorry! God does not lead people away from His WILL!

 

[DaPastor]

Jesus had disciples and many of his disciples followed him, in the wilderness, on the streets, in the cities. There is nothing wrong with attending church it is just not where God has lead us.

Scripture actually commands us not to avoid the assembling together of the believers in a local assembly.

 

[sharonr]

False prophets teach against His Word, and His Word is PRO local assembly with ordained leadership

Are you calling my husband a false prophet because we dont attend church. I can see right through you, please dont speak about it,many children of God dont attend church for various reasons.

 

[sharonr]

Scripture actually commands us not to avoid the assembling together of the believers in a local assembly.

Yeah but what about when God says seperate yourself from among them. God wanted to get my husband alone, so he can hear him for himself. God wanted to speak to my husband, look at Moses.

 

[DaPastor]

False prophets teach against His Word, and His Word is PRO local assembly with ordained leadership

Are you calling my husband a false prophet because we dont attend church. I can see right through you, please dont speak about it,many children of God dont attend church for various reasons.

I don't know if he is a false prophet, but I do know that he is embracing false doctrine by suggesting that he should not be involved with a local assembly with ordained leadership - that is a Scriptural fact!

 

[DaPastor]

False prophets teach against His Word, and His Word is PRO local assembly with ordained leadership

Are you calling my husband a false prophet because we dont attend church. I can see right through you, please dont speak about it,many children of God dont attend church for various reasons.

I don't know if he is a false prophet, but I do know that he is embracing false doctrine by suggesting that he should not be involved with a local assembly with ordained leadership - that is a Scriptural fact!

Moreover, if they are TRUE children of God they will agree with what the Bible says about Ekklesia involvement.

 

[DaPastor]

Scripture actually commands us not to avoid the assembling together of the believers in a local assembly.

Yeah but what about when God says seperate yourself from among them. God wanted to get my husband alone, so he can hear him for himself. God wanted to speak to my husband, look at Moses.

The Bible suggest that the separation be from immorality, idolatry, etc... not HIS PEOPLE... God will never contradict His Word. Moses was before the vision of Christ was established. There is nothing wrong with getting alone with God, but that does not mean to ignore the assembly of God's people!

 

[sharonr]

What you are saying doesn't matter much to me, because I choose to follow and trust my husband. Many people may persecute or be in disagreement but all that matters is where God has lead us, and where God will lead us, the church is in us.

 

[DaPastor]

What you are saying doesn't matter much to me, because I choose to follow and trust my husband. Many people may persecute or be in disagreement but all that matters is where God has lead us, and where God will lead us, the church is in us.

You can do anything you want, but just don't try to justify it to those of us who know the Word of God. It will not fly! Blessings

 

[sharonr]

So since we dont attend church. Da Pastor says this is wrong and sinful. Well i beg to differ. Yea scripture says dont forsake the assembly and all. We dont. We do fellowship just not uner a pastor. We been through people,s opinions and putting us down and all. If I were to follow what Da Pastor says which he calls it a sin to not go to church; I would be a rebellious wife for not keeping what my husband commanded. I would be in disobedience of my husband by continuing to attend church and therefore not be obedient to him. Do you think our marriage would last if I were to attend church and my husband not; or even me convince him to do otherwise. This is another example of this whole conversation. There would be much cahast if I didn,t follow my husband on his journey.

 

[DaPastor]

So since we dont attend church. Da Pastor says this is wrong and sinful. Well i beg to differ. Yea scripture says dont forsake the assembly and all. We dont. We do fellowship just not uner a pastor.

Then the group is not in proper order yet according to Paul's word to Titus. Paul said to set in order some assemblies by "ordaining elders" there. Why would Paul say such a thing?

We been through people,s opinions and putting us down and all. If I were to follow what Da Pastor says which he calls it a sin to not go to church; I would be a rebellious wife for not keeping what my husband commanded.

God's Word is higher than your husband's word.

I would be in disobedience of my husband by continuing to attend church and therefore not be obedient to him. Do you think our marriage would last if I were to attend church and my husband not; or even me convince him to do otherwise. This is another example of this whole conversation. There would be much cahast if I didn,t follow my husband on his journey.

As humans, we will always have the choice between obeying God or obeying man. The disciples asked the question, "Should we obey man or God?"

 

[sharonr]

A second passage to consider: Acts 4 verse 19

This passage concerns the instructions given by the Sanhedrin to Peter and John, and the reply, repeated below, that was given by the disciples:

Acts 5:29 But Peter and the other apostles answered and said: “We ought to obey God rather than men. (NKJV)


Let us first state an obvious but important point: This is not a conflict between a husband and a wife but between two groups of male Jews. The relationship between the parties is therefore very different to that between a husband and a wife [footnote 1]. We also need to ask whether the Sanhedrin had any authority over Peter and John. Both parties were claiming to represent God — but which of them had the better claim? The two disciples had received their commission personally and physically from the mouth of Jesus himself. Jesus came to set aside the old religious order and to establish a new one in which the role of the Sanhedrin (assuming it had ever had any role in God's sight) was to be diminished. This by itself gives strong reason for believing that the Sanhedrin did not have any authority over Peter and John however the words that the disciples used are perhaps more significant; they did not simply refuse to obey the Sanhedrin (though they implied that they were going to) rather they threw the whole command back at the Sanhedrin by telling the Sanhedrin members “judge for yourselves” and thereby questioned the Sanhedrin's authority to issue the order at all. Implicit in the disciples' response is the notion that the Sanhedrin knew, or at least ought to have known, that it was acting beyond its powers. In a modern setting the disciples might have said “If you stop and think for one moment you will realize that your own laws and rules prohibit you from giving this order.”

Also it is worth remembering that when this conversation took place Jerusalem was within the Roman empire; the final authority was not the Sanhedrin but the Roman governor and the Romans did allow a certain amount of religious freedom.

For the reasons given above this passage does not give any support to the notion that wives should only selectively obey their husbands.

This was on the ladies only submit post, that I posted in reference to an article I came across about Acts, and also obey God rather than man.

 

[sharonr]

Many polygamy families don't have a church to go to, the pastors aren't in agreement with it. There are few Pastor's that are in agreement with it. So are they wrong as well, for not attending church. Oh yeah and what about the polygamy families who do go to church, alot of the time, the Pastor doesn't teach or agree with polygamy, so are they suppose to continue to obey AUTHORITIES OR THE PASTOR because you all say we are suppose to obey everything the Pastor preaches?