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We must solve these problems in order not to expose future astronauts to the levels of radiation exposure that the Apollo mission astronauts exposed themselves to. Also, the electronics that we use today are much smaller than those that were used on Apollo, and because of miniturization, they are much more vulnerable to exposure from radiation. Astronauts went through that radiation belt for a brief period of exposure, but they were also exposed to radiation even after leaving the Van Allen Belt, due to the fact that they were not protected from the planetary atmosphere.
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In our scientifically “enlightened” and media-driven age, don’t educated people accept that evolution happened? Most of my teachers and professors, people I greatly respected, accepted evolution. Prior to 1970, it appeared to me that those who believed in the biblical version of creation did not grasp the immense age of the Earth and universe. Don’t we sense great age when we see the Grand Canyon or galaxies that are billions of light-years away? Given billions of years, vast changes will occur. To believe that a worldwide flood occurred seemed ridiculous. Just look at a globe. Where could so much water come from to cover all Earth’s mountains, as the Bible clearly states? Mount Everest rises 5 1/2 miles above sea level. If that much water once covered the Earth, where did all that water go? Obviously, the uneducated people who wrote the Bible knew little about the Earth—or so I thought.
Was I curious enough to study origins? No. I thought it was a complex, time-consuming subject. Besides, I felt that the case was closed a century ago—certainly after the famous Scopes Trial in 1925. Those who accepted the biblical version of creation and a global flood were a little embarrassing to be around. I became a Christian in high school but held the above attitudes until my early 30s. I was at Position 1, shown in Figure 4.
Others reject the theory of evolution, accept a global flood, and believe that God created everything relatively recently. Although their beliefs, usually based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, clash with evolution (taught in almost all schools and universities), they tend to ignore the conflict. The reasons are many: they may be too busy; they may not recognize all the contradictions between evolution and the Bible or may feel powerless to resolve them. They may wish to avoid controversy or involvement in unfamiliar scientific topics. They may have only a vague understanding of the flood. Many have misinterpreted major consequences of the flood as supporting evolution. They may not realize that evolution (1) is scientifically bankrupt, (2) is a major stumbling block for countless nonbelievers, and (3) has caused many children raised in Christian homes later to reject their faith, feel their parents misled them, or view church as irrelevant. This is Position 3.
Other people know how foundational Genesis 1–11 is to the entire Bible. (Genesis 1–11 tells of the creation, fall, and flood—three of the most significant events of all time.) Every New Testament writer and many Old Testament writers refer to those chapters. [See “Does the New Testament Support Genesis 1–11?” on pages 568– 571.] If those writers were wrong about ancient history, why should we believe them when they say that a man rose from the dead? Jesus Christ also spoke of events described in each of the first seven chapters of Genesis. If Christ was mistaken about ancient history, why should we believe Him when He speaks of eternity? If Genesis 1–11 is in error, then many other portions of the Bible that refer to those chapters are equally wrong, opening the door to differing interpretations of the entire Bible and a comfortable, pick-and-choose view of Scripture. If evolution happened, then death existed for a billion years before man evolved. Death would not be a consequence of Adam’s sin; Adam’s sin would be a fiction, believed only by “literalists.” And if sin is a fiction, we don’t need a Savior ! (Also, if there is no such thing as sin—or a Creator—there are no moral absolutes. See “Does a Belief in Evolution have Social Consequences?” on pages 566– 568.)
These are scary thoughts for countless Christians. Some search for ways to reinterpret the Bible to harmonize it with evolution. They are called “theistic evolutionists.” The last thing they want to do is argue with scientists. Preserving image and intellectual respectability is important, and scientific answers may seem more credible and objective than various theological positions. Others who have great confidence in and knowledge of the Bible know that these Bible reinterpretations produce more contradictions than they resolve. [See “Is Evolution Compatible with the Bible?” on pages 550– 560.] A Christian leader, whose primary interest is increasing church attendance and donations, may wish the whole, creation-evolution issue would just go away. Churches strive for internal harmony; raising the origins issue could bring disharmony, even church splits. Therefore, many church leaders, unaware that the science is clearly on their side, avoid the origins issue, even if evangelism suffers. They hold Position 4.
Figure 4: Five Views on Origins. People generally fall into five categories when it comes to the question of origins. Individuals of all ages and academic, scientific, and theological backgrounds occupy each category.
In our society, indeed, throughout the world, evolution is the one topic that screams most loudly that the Bible is not accurate or relevant. Yet, church leaders who say they want to teach the Bible often ignore the issue, either out of a lack of interest, understanding, confidence, or courage. How sad, because the scientific case for creation and the flood is so compelling—and fatal to evolution.
Finally, those holding Positions 2 and 5 are examining the evidence. Most are surprised and excited by what they are learning. After seeing the evidence, the frequent reaction is, “Why haven’t I been told this before?” Instead of being intimidated by science, a subject they may have disliked in school, they are amazed at the simple, compelling evidence for creation and a global flood. Hundreds of related topics and scientific discoveries supporting creation and the flood fascinate most people and are easy to discuss, even with strangers. In effect, this becomes a powerful pre-evangelistic tool. While no one has all the answers concerning origins, be assured that the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly consistent with Genesis 1–11 and opposes evolution. In fact, it is extremely difficult to find any knowledgeable evolutionist willing to debate the issue—orally or in writing—with someone who understands this evidence. [See page 586.]
Most Christians feel the responsibility to evangelize—to take the great commission seriously. What are the major obstacles to evangelism? People give many reasons for rejecting Christ:
Some theologians are uncomfortable with science and the subject of origins. They know what the Bible clearly says but may not know (or want to know) the scientific evidence that is so consistent with a literal creation and a global flood. Therefore, they—spooked by science—avoid the subject, which leaves their congregations and students in the dark. As Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote: “The religion that is afraid of science dishonors God and commits suicide.”
When speaking to the Jews, all of whom knew there was a Creator, the Apostle Paul could begin with Jesus Christ and the gospel. However, when speaking to Greek pagans, Paul first had to explain that there is a Creator (Acts 14:15, 17:24–28). Because we live in increasingly pagan societies with growing moral decay—all seemingly consistent with evolution and survival of the fittest—helping others recognize the Creator seems to be a logical first step in bringing them to Christ. But Christ was more direct. When confronting some of the religious leaders, Jesus said in John 5:46–47,
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?
What did Moses compile that has been so widely rejected for the last 150 years? Genesis 1–11, the most ridiculed—and to many Christians—embarrassing portion of the Bible. Elsewhere (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16), we are told that Christ was there in the beginning, and “all things have been created through Him and for Him.” Also, Genesis 3:15 gave us the first hint of Christ and His work of salvation.
God reveals Himself in two ways: by special revelation (the Scriptures) and general revelation (all that He created). How tragic that a false interpretation of general revelation (evolution), now taught throughout the world, is used to discredit special revelation. Correct teaching can reverse this.
For the first half of my life, I held Position 1. During the next few years, I shifted to Position 2, then to Position 5. Christians are in all five positions. Where are you?
Why Are Creation and the Flood Important?
First, let’s acknowledge why some people reject Genesis and are not willing to carefully consider- how the universe, Earth, and life began, and
- the flood—Earth’s deadliest and geological defining event.
In our scientifically “enlightened” and media-driven age, don’t educated people accept that evolution happened? Most of my teachers and professors, people I greatly respected, accepted evolution. Prior to 1970, it appeared to me that those who believed in the biblical version of creation did not grasp the immense age of the Earth and universe. Don’t we sense great age when we see the Grand Canyon or galaxies that are billions of light-years away? Given billions of years, vast changes will occur. To believe that a worldwide flood occurred seemed ridiculous. Just look at a globe. Where could so much water come from to cover all Earth’s mountains, as the Bible clearly states? Mount Everest rises 5 1/2 miles above sea level. If that much water once covered the Earth, where did all that water go? Obviously, the uneducated people who wrote the Bible knew little about the Earth—or so I thought.
Was I curious enough to study origins? No. I thought it was a complex, time-consuming subject. Besides, I felt that the case was closed a century ago—certainly after the famous Scopes Trial in 1925. Those who accepted the biblical version of creation and a global flood were a little embarrassing to be around. I became a Christian in high school but held the above attitudes until my early 30s. I was at Position 1, shown in Figure 4.
Others reject the theory of evolution, accept a global flood, and believe that God created everything relatively recently. Although their beliefs, usually based on a literal interpretation of the Bible, clash with evolution (taught in almost all schools and universities), they tend to ignore the conflict. The reasons are many: they may be too busy; they may not recognize all the contradictions between evolution and the Bible or may feel powerless to resolve them. They may wish to avoid controversy or involvement in unfamiliar scientific topics. They may have only a vague understanding of the flood. Many have misinterpreted major consequences of the flood as supporting evolution. They may not realize that evolution (1) is scientifically bankrupt, (2) is a major stumbling block for countless nonbelievers, and (3) has caused many children raised in Christian homes later to reject their faith, feel their parents misled them, or view church as irrelevant. This is Position 3.
Other people know how foundational Genesis 1–11 is to the entire Bible. (Genesis 1–11 tells of the creation, fall, and flood—three of the most significant events of all time.) Every New Testament writer and many Old Testament writers refer to those chapters. [See “Does the New Testament Support Genesis 1–11?” on pages 568– 571.] If those writers were wrong about ancient history, why should we believe them when they say that a man rose from the dead? Jesus Christ also spoke of events described in each of the first seven chapters of Genesis. If Christ was mistaken about ancient history, why should we believe Him when He speaks of eternity? If Genesis 1–11 is in error, then many other portions of the Bible that refer to those chapters are equally wrong, opening the door to differing interpretations of the entire Bible and a comfortable, pick-and-choose view of Scripture. If evolution happened, then death existed for a billion years before man evolved. Death would not be a consequence of Adam’s sin; Adam’s sin would be a fiction, believed only by “literalists.” And if sin is a fiction, we don’t need a Savior ! (Also, if there is no such thing as sin—or a Creator—there are no moral absolutes. See “Does a Belief in Evolution have Social Consequences?” on pages 566– 568.)
These are scary thoughts for countless Christians. Some search for ways to reinterpret the Bible to harmonize it with evolution. They are called “theistic evolutionists.” The last thing they want to do is argue with scientists. Preserving image and intellectual respectability is important, and scientific answers may seem more credible and objective than various theological positions. Others who have great confidence in and knowledge of the Bible know that these Bible reinterpretations produce more contradictions than they resolve. [See “Is Evolution Compatible with the Bible?” on pages 550– 560.] A Christian leader, whose primary interest is increasing church attendance and donations, may wish the whole, creation-evolution issue would just go away. Churches strive for internal harmony; raising the origins issue could bring disharmony, even church splits. Therefore, many church leaders, unaware that the science is clearly on their side, avoid the origins issue, even if evangelism suffers. They hold Position 4.
Figure 4: Five Views on Origins. People generally fall into five categories when it comes to the question of origins. Individuals of all ages and academic, scientific, and theological backgrounds occupy each category.
In our society, indeed, throughout the world, evolution is the one topic that screams most loudly that the Bible is not accurate or relevant. Yet, church leaders who say they want to teach the Bible often ignore the issue, either out of a lack of interest, understanding, confidence, or courage. How sad, because the scientific case for creation and the flood is so compelling—and fatal to evolution.
Finally, those holding Positions 2 and 5 are examining the evidence. Most are surprised and excited by what they are learning. After seeing the evidence, the frequent reaction is, “Why haven’t I been told this before?” Instead of being intimidated by science, a subject they may have disliked in school, they are amazed at the simple, compelling evidence for creation and a global flood. Hundreds of related topics and scientific discoveries supporting creation and the flood fascinate most people and are easy to discuss, even with strangers. In effect, this becomes a powerful pre-evangelistic tool. While no one has all the answers concerning origins, be assured that the scientific evidence is overwhelmingly consistent with Genesis 1–11 and opposes evolution. In fact, it is extremely difficult to find any knowledgeable evolutionist willing to debate the issue—orally or in writing—with someone who understands this evidence. [See page 586.]
Most Christians feel the responsibility to evangelize—to take the great commission seriously. What are the major obstacles to evangelism? People give many reasons for rejecting Christ:
- Christians are hypocrites, judgmental, dogmatic, legalistic, and out of touch with reality.
- My past misdeeds could never be forgiven.
- I prefer to live without biblical constraints.
- I am too busy to consider the matter.
- I prefer another religion.
- Evolution proves that the Bible is wrong.
- There is no God—and therefore, no moral absolutes.
- A loving God would not allow the suffering and evil we see in the world.
- The Bible is outdated; it contains myths and errors.
Some theologians are uncomfortable with science and the subject of origins. They know what the Bible clearly says but may not know (or want to know) the scientific evidence that is so consistent with a literal creation and a global flood. Therefore, they—spooked by science—avoid the subject, which leaves their congregations and students in the dark. As Ralph Waldo Emerson wrote: “The religion that is afraid of science dishonors God and commits suicide.”
When speaking to the Jews, all of whom knew there was a Creator, the Apostle Paul could begin with Jesus Christ and the gospel. However, when speaking to Greek pagans, Paul first had to explain that there is a Creator (Acts 14:15, 17:24–28). Because we live in increasingly pagan societies with growing moral decay—all seemingly consistent with evolution and survival of the fittest—helping others recognize the Creator seems to be a logical first step in bringing them to Christ. But Christ was more direct. When confronting some of the religious leaders, Jesus said in John 5:46–47,
For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote of Me. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe my words?
What did Moses compile that has been so widely rejected for the last 150 years? Genesis 1–11, the most ridiculed—and to many Christians—embarrassing portion of the Bible. Elsewhere (John 1:3, Colossians 1:16), we are told that Christ was there in the beginning, and “all things have been created through Him and for Him.” Also, Genesis 3:15 gave us the first hint of Christ and His work of salvation.
God reveals Himself in two ways: by special revelation (the Scriptures) and general revelation (all that He created). How tragic that a false interpretation of general revelation (evolution), now taught throughout the world, is used to discredit special revelation. Correct teaching can reverse this.
For the first half of my life, I held Position 1. During the next few years, I shifted to Position 2, then to Position 5. Christians are in all five positions. Where are you?
Stick to the Word of the Creator.
The one’s in control are liars. Why trust them in anything they say?
Just because it shows up on your television set - doesn’t make it fact. Just because you were taught something in school - doesn’t make it fact. You’ve seen the movie gravity? Do you see how realistic modern day cgi is? They’ve mastered the art of indoctrination and manipulation.
Atheism is a religion. Most atheists believe in big bang and evolution. But why? They don’t have a Time Machine. They don’t have a space rocket to go out in space themselves. They put their faith in men with degrees - even though they themselves can’t prove anything they say.
I don't necessarily trust them, but I am a Software Engineer, and I know how algorithms work. I do trust what Dr Walt Brown is saying here, and he is clearly no atheist!
Hence modern electronics are not used in spacecraft. The most modern processor used is a hardened version of IBM's PowerPc used in early 2000s MACs. Most use something like a 386 oder 486.
Btw. the Apollo computer hardware is fascinating. It used an intriguing amalgamation of software, and hardware. The software was hardware. They used rope memory. If a electrical cable goes through a magnetic loop it is a 1, if it passes outside it is a 0. The entire software is literally woven.
But it is not. What almost every sci phi movie gets wrong is that they show the stars in outer space, which would only be visible in a shadow, or far away from stars. Otherwise the sun light drones it out, human eyes do not have the contrast to see them. Also space craft are almost always lit up as if sun light is striking them, even in deep space. The only Star Trek movie that got the lighting right was The Motion Picture, and because a dark star ship is boring, they made the ship light itself up with flood lights to a beautiful effect.
My 350 scale Tomy refit Enterprise, which is hopefully arriving in November, also lights itself up.
P.S. Regarding Evolution. In my view both can be right. God created animals and then evolution took over. We can observe from fast growing populations like bacteria that a certain selection does occur.
Genesis 1:14 NKJVBut it is not. What almost every sci phi movie gets wrong is that they show the stars in outer space, which would only be visible in a shadow, or far away from stars. Otherwise the sun light drones it out, human eyes do not have the contrast to see them. Also space craft are almost always lit up as if sun light is striking them, even in deep space. The only Star Trek movie that got the lighting right was The Motion Picture, and because a dark star ship is boring, they made the ship light itself up with flood lights to a beautiful effect.
My 350 scale Tomy refit Enterprise, which is hopefully arriving in November, also lights itself up.
P.S. Regarding Evolution. In my view both can be right. God created animals and then evolution took over. We can observe from fast growing populations like bacteria that a certain selection does occur.
Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years.
I'm going to stick with the Word of YAH. He says the stars are on the firmament - above the earth. If people want to trust in nasa - which means to utterly deceive in the Hebrew - then be my guest. However, my household will stick with the Word of the Creator. Billions of dollars are going to NASA "ON A YEARLY BASIS," and then can't even come to an agreement on the shape of the earth:
It doesn't get more pathetic than that. Talk about an utter waste of tax payer dollars. If they can't even show you accurately how the earth looks from a far distance in outer space - why trust in anything they say? This is what's wrong with this country. Pretty much every facet of government has been infiltrated, and is being milked for every last drop until the dominos drop. Most people won't know until it's too late. So best to stay faithful and walk in obedience to the Creator, because he's your only hope.
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That’s Moshe you’re dis respecting. He’s not a clown, but know it’s a wide road to destruction and many go through it.
How many billions have NASA taken from tax payers, and they can’t even decide on how the earth looks like from outer space:
You’ve never been to outer space, but you choose to put your faith in proven liars. That’s not very intelligent nor wise. If anything it’s foolish.
This man does a superb job showing truth and exposing the darkness. The one's at the top of NASA are high degree freemasons (they worship Satan/Lucifer). Most that work for NASA are completely un-aware. Just like in Freemasonry - those below the upper degrees - have no idea that it's a religion that worships Lucifer. Proverbs 18:13 If one gives an answer before he hears, it is his folly and shame.
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I see the moon and sun being equal in size. Easily proven in an eclipse, and the moon gives off its own light.
Satan’s explanation of course - it’s due to the perfect distance between the moon and sun - what a coincidence (ha ha).
Main problem is people’s foundation is wrong. Satan was cast down along with a third of the angels (33% - hey perhaps that’s why they have a fascination with the number 33) - so these are not the schemes of men. But the work of a fallen angel - using men to accomplish his mission.
You see his serpent logo on the nasa logo. NASA means to deceive in Hebrew. He puts the true map of the earth on his logos for the United Nations, and WHO; because he loves mocking the Creator’s children.
There goes that 33 they love so much.
This is an infiltrated and fallen world system. That is only getting worse. They kill. They rape. They human traffic women and children. They poison your water food and air. They tax you dry and give money printed out of thin air to their own and those that hate you. They promote the things the Creator hates. And make illegal the things the Creator says is righteous. The best hope for the future is the Messiah fulfilling the festival of Sukkot, and leading his people (the two sticks united together) in the greater and better exodus out of these lawless nations.
John 3:12 NLT
But if you don’t believe me when I tell you about earthly things, how can you possibly believe if I tell you about heavenly things?
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I would usually lash out more aggressively against such a provocation, but will refrain from doing so since I know believe with you it is a medical condition.
I wish you are good night.
Good night to you as well.
Flat earth discussion is against the rules in this forum. You have already been advised of this.
You are speaking my language girl! I love 1s and 0s! There are 10 kinds of people in the world; those who understand binary, and those who do not.
Yes! Exactly! Any good young earth creationist who knows what they are talking about, would agree wholeheartedly. Mutations occur, and of course we can see that with the wide variety of dog breeds, but also any local area where imbreeding is likely to occur, variations will be more pronounced. Dare I mention the two-toed ostrich people, who have two toes on each foot. We share common ancestors. Now if someone wants to claim that we share common ancestry with a gibbon, that is far less likely to have happened, especially when we examine the number of chromosomes that we have verses the gibbon.But it is not. What almost every sci phi movie gets wrong is that they show the stars in outer space, which would only be visible in a shadow, or far away from stars. Otherwise the sun light drones it out, human eyes do not have the contrast to see them. Also space craft are almost always lit up as if sun light is striking them, even in deep space. The only Star Trek movie that got the lighting right was The Motion Picture, and because a dark star ship is boring, they made the ship light itself up with flood lights to a beautiful effect.
My 350 scale Tomy refit Enterprise, which is hopefully arriving in November, also lights itself up.
P.S. Regarding Evolution. In my view both can be right. God created animals and then evolution took over. We can observe from fast growing populations like bacteria that a certain selection does occur.
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I do not need NASA to tell me that the Earth is round, I do not need the Bible telling me that it is flat. I can figure that out myself.
As part of my sailing qualification, I was taught to navigate without electronics in the event of a system failure. So get a fix using a sextant, then calculate the position. The math would not work with a flat earth.
Also there is the wind. On a long passage one deviates from the most direct route to get better trade winds. Sometimes by hundreds of nautical miles. On a flat earth, winds would go in a straight line, from the high pressure area, to a low pressure area. Simple physics. However winds do not act like this, they arch. They arch because of Coriolis, cause by the rotating earth. Which is annoying because one is constantly adjusting the sails, and course to get a better angle. They are pieces on the sails called telltales, that, well, tell the tale of the wind.
I do not need NASA to tell me that the Earth is round, I do not need the Bible telling me that it is flat. I can figure that out myself.
As part of my sailing qualification, I was taught to navigate without electronics in the event of a system failure. So get a fix using a sextant, then calculate the position. The math would not work with a flat earth.
Also there is the wind. On a long passage one deviates from the most direct route to get better trade winds. Sometimes by hundreds of nautical miles. On a flat earth, winds would go in a straight line, from the high pressure area, to a low pressure area. Simple physics. However winds do not act like this, they arch. They arch because of Coriolis, cause by the rotating earth. Which is annoying because one is constantly adjusting the sails, and course to get a better angle. They are pieces on the sails called telltales, that, well, tell the tale of the wind.
Source is what?
They use modern tech, not old one. It just has to be special variant to be hardened against radiation.
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