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Long story short, I was convinced by the Bible that polygyny is innocent, but have not yet been able to make any serious contact with others who realize this.
As I grew up it slowly dawned on me that I wasn't hearing of anyone marrying multiple wives, yet when we read the Bible every year I got a very different picture. I got the impression that people simply didn't do it anymore, but was not fully aware of how wrong they thought it was.
I remember in one of my private talks my father would have with me I brought up the question. He said that it was revealed in the New Testament that it was not God's plan, and that God blesses those that don't do it. He referred to Matthew 19:4 / Mark 10:6 as being God's revelation that Adam's marriage is to be a pattern for us to follow. We came to a somewhat settled conclusion that it was not a sin, but it was unwise. I decided to look for a more clear revelation on the subject as we read the Bible every year.
As far as I can remember this was my case for years until I saw a discussion of the topic on an online Bible discussion forum and looked at it out of curiosity. Someone posted this article in full as part of the discussion, and since then I came across the same article in another place; which is strange as it does not appear to be anywhere close to the best or even a good presentation of arguments against multiple wives. Reading it was my first exposure to the extremity of the stance, and how many people seemed to agree with it was an even greater shock. It became a subject that I considered more seriously. Here is my response in that online discussion, the first thing I think I ever wrote in defense of multiple wives (at the time I still thought multiple wives were not permitted for bishops and deacons).
I am in an awkward situation though. Simply the fact that I came to my full conclusion because of an online discussion forum is awkward, though I had been presented first with basically the most moderate and reasonable form of this prejudice and had yet been skeptical. I have already been accused of rejecting the "law" of first mention just because people use it against multiple wife marriage, even though I never considered this "law" to be a scripturally sound principle before.
Also awkward is that I grew up believing the KJV was a perfect translation, and have since found that it is not (for many of the same reasons modern corrupt translations are not, though the KJV is not nearly as corrupt as they are). Both advocates of the KJV and advocates of anti-polygynism would say my rejection of the KJV is suspiciously "convenient" for my stance on multiple wives.
I found an old book online in defense of multiple wives, but didn't want to read any more than the introduction because I wanted to make a more open stand on the position having only the Bible before I read a whole book about the issue. I somewhat have a fear of people saying I was convinced by other people when I was in fact convinced by the Bible alone.
All the same after I came to my conclusion I searched online for like-minded people out of curiosity and isolation. It is interesting to note that even if I did not specify "Christian", I came up with mainly Christians. I attempted to connect with some of the people I found, but I was never really able to for one reason or another.
All of my family and friends are against it as far as I know. When I came to my conclusion I only knew of one person online who was not against it (and I am not sure if he was a Christian). Other than that there was only a couple of families with multiple wives in a children's book about children from other countries (a Jordanian family and a Maasai Tanzanian family, which followed some form of Christianity).
I was of course told the line that no one else believes this, so I will never find a wife. Of course, if this is true than I would rather not marry. But it is unlikely that the practice of the prophets is universally abhorred in the body of Christ.
Some other information about me: I grew up in Washington state, in the pacific northwest, spent a year in Texas, and my family has been living in Ireland for about ten years now. We are non-denominational Bible believers, but generally go to fundamental, independent Baptist churches, though we had a small home-church for many of my formative years.
We have been kicked out of a church because we did not believe Calvinism. We were kicked out of another church because we considered starting a church (which the pastor objected to for complicated reasons). Because of this it may sound strange, but my family doesn't really talk to people about disagreements we may have with them, and even try to avoid situations in which disagreements would come up. This is the mindset I have grown up with (and partly is one of the things I disagree with). It has made it difficult for me to talk to anybody about the things I disagree with my family about, because I feel that I am indirectly confronting them. I hope I can change that.
I have discussed multiple wives on Christian dating sites, and one deleted my account, saying:
"We do not believe having multiple wives is unbiblical per se. We do know
that in the past, God has allowed men to marry multiple wives. However,
we also believe God's intention is for marriage to be a a union between
one man and one woman. We believe that God condoning polygamy can be
traced back to socio-economic situations that do not exist anymore in
most societies of today. This article best explains our position:
https://gotquestions.org/polygamy.html
Because if this, but also due to the facts that a) nearly anywhere
polygamy is prohibited, and b) today most (if not all) ladies do not
want to share their husbands, we have come to the conclusion that we
cannot be a platform for singles who are seeking more than one spouse,
or contemplating marrying more than one spouse, either by trying to
decriminalize it or by relocating to an area where polygamy is condoned."
On another Christian dating site these are some responses I got:
“And with very high standards? do you think my pole dancing can't pass in your standard? oh my!!!”
“Hi Patrick,
We are Christians here, we would not compromise our faith. A man is for a woman and that would be for only one. May God change your heart.
God bless!”
“I think when he dies he dies with his face smiling...hahaha”
“haha,
smiling maybe,
but there will be no resurrection of it!”
“here if the real wife found out the husband have mistress...it's either the mistress hair will all be pull out from her scalp or the husband's happiness be cut off!!! (ouch)”
“ “or the husband's happiness be cut off!!! (ouch)”
Yes! true what ___ said some they wont just cut off! but they will cook it too! Dont play! play! Lol!”
“Guys this post gave us a lot of face muscle exercise. This is freaking funny.
Will he still be capable of playing golf when having five wives? I bet its going to be a hole in five instead of one. Hahaha, OMG forgive us for we dont know what we are doing.”
“my bookeeper just came into the room and it took me a few moments to compose myself, almost wet my knickers, hahaha”
So that is the long and short of it.
Here are some links to me in other places:
Facebook
Pinterest
Twitter
Website
Wordpress
Patreon
Your servant in Christ,
Patrick.
Long story short, I was convinced by the Bible that polygyny is innocent, but have not yet been able to make any serious contact with others who realize this.
As I grew up it slowly dawned on me that I wasn't hearing of anyone marrying multiple wives, yet when we read the Bible every year I got a very different picture. I got the impression that people simply didn't do it anymore, but was not fully aware of how wrong they thought it was.
I remember in one of my private talks my father would have with me I brought up the question. He said that it was revealed in the New Testament that it was not God's plan, and that God blesses those that don't do it. He referred to Matthew 19:4 / Mark 10:6 as being God's revelation that Adam's marriage is to be a pattern for us to follow. We came to a somewhat settled conclusion that it was not a sin, but it was unwise. I decided to look for a more clear revelation on the subject as we read the Bible every year.
As far as I can remember this was my case for years until I saw a discussion of the topic on an online Bible discussion forum and looked at it out of curiosity. Someone posted this article in full as part of the discussion, and since then I came across the same article in another place; which is strange as it does not appear to be anywhere close to the best or even a good presentation of arguments against multiple wives. Reading it was my first exposure to the extremity of the stance, and how many people seemed to agree with it was an even greater shock. It became a subject that I considered more seriously. Here is my response in that online discussion, the first thing I think I ever wrote in defense of multiple wives (at the time I still thought multiple wives were not permitted for bishops and deacons).
I am in an awkward situation though. Simply the fact that I came to my full conclusion because of an online discussion forum is awkward, though I had been presented first with basically the most moderate and reasonable form of this prejudice and had yet been skeptical. I have already been accused of rejecting the "law" of first mention just because people use it against multiple wife marriage, even though I never considered this "law" to be a scripturally sound principle before.
Also awkward is that I grew up believing the KJV was a perfect translation, and have since found that it is not (for many of the same reasons modern corrupt translations are not, though the KJV is not nearly as corrupt as they are). Both advocates of the KJV and advocates of anti-polygynism would say my rejection of the KJV is suspiciously "convenient" for my stance on multiple wives.
I found an old book online in defense of multiple wives, but didn't want to read any more than the introduction because I wanted to make a more open stand on the position having only the Bible before I read a whole book about the issue. I somewhat have a fear of people saying I was convinced by other people when I was in fact convinced by the Bible alone.
All the same after I came to my conclusion I searched online for like-minded people out of curiosity and isolation. It is interesting to note that even if I did not specify "Christian", I came up with mainly Christians. I attempted to connect with some of the people I found, but I was never really able to for one reason or another.
All of my family and friends are against it as far as I know. When I came to my conclusion I only knew of one person online who was not against it (and I am not sure if he was a Christian). Other than that there was only a couple of families with multiple wives in a children's book about children from other countries (a Jordanian family and a Maasai Tanzanian family, which followed some form of Christianity).
I was of course told the line that no one else believes this, so I will never find a wife. Of course, if this is true than I would rather not marry. But it is unlikely that the practice of the prophets is universally abhorred in the body of Christ.
Some other information about me: I grew up in Washington state, in the pacific northwest, spent a year in Texas, and my family has been living in Ireland for about ten years now. We are non-denominational Bible believers, but generally go to fundamental, independent Baptist churches, though we had a small home-church for many of my formative years.
We have been kicked out of a church because we did not believe Calvinism. We were kicked out of another church because we considered starting a church (which the pastor objected to for complicated reasons). Because of this it may sound strange, but my family doesn't really talk to people about disagreements we may have with them, and even try to avoid situations in which disagreements would come up. This is the mindset I have grown up with (and partly is one of the things I disagree with). It has made it difficult for me to talk to anybody about the things I disagree with my family about, because I feel that I am indirectly confronting them. I hope I can change that.
I have discussed multiple wives on Christian dating sites, and one deleted my account, saying:
"We do not believe having multiple wives is unbiblical per se. We do know
that in the past, God has allowed men to marry multiple wives. However,
we also believe God's intention is for marriage to be a a union between
one man and one woman. We believe that God condoning polygamy can be
traced back to socio-economic situations that do not exist anymore in
most societies of today. This article best explains our position:
https://gotquestions.org/polygamy.html
Because if this, but also due to the facts that a) nearly anywhere
polygamy is prohibited, and b) today most (if not all) ladies do not
want to share their husbands, we have come to the conclusion that we
cannot be a platform for singles who are seeking more than one spouse,
or contemplating marrying more than one spouse, either by trying to
decriminalize it or by relocating to an area where polygamy is condoned."
On another Christian dating site these are some responses I got:
“And with very high standards? do you think my pole dancing can't pass in your standard? oh my!!!”
“Hi Patrick,
We are Christians here, we would not compromise our faith. A man is for a woman and that would be for only one. May God change your heart.
God bless!”
“I think when he dies he dies with his face smiling...hahaha”
“haha,
smiling maybe,
but there will be no resurrection of it!”
“here if the real wife found out the husband have mistress...it's either the mistress hair will all be pull out from her scalp or the husband's happiness be cut off!!! (ouch)”
“ “or the husband's happiness be cut off!!! (ouch)”
Yes! true what ___ said some they wont just cut off! but they will cook it too! Dont play! play! Lol!”
“Guys this post gave us a lot of face muscle exercise. This is freaking funny.
Will he still be capable of playing golf when having five wives? I bet its going to be a hole in five instead of one. Hahaha, OMG forgive us for we dont know what we are doing.”
“my bookeeper just came into the room and it took me a few moments to compose myself, almost wet my knickers, hahaha”
So that is the long and short of it.
Here are some links to me in other places:
Website
Wordpress
Patreon
Your servant in Christ,
Patrick.
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