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Of Bubbles and Man-Sharing

SeekHim, I sympathize with your husband re: the Lord. I can't think of the number of times I've felt like the Lord had revealed something unique to me, only to find out later that someone else has begun preaching or writing about it.

OR had somebody come back to church after an "exciting" life of sinning and messing about all over the place, then seem to be suddenly gifted with a closeness with God, and opportunities to speak, and maybe gifts of the Spirit, and thought -- what about ME? I've been here all along, paying tithes and offerings and keeping the lights on at the church, and ... I have a certain sympathy for the brother of the prodigal son, though a lot for the prodigal son as well, and an immense affection for the father.

So we fellas struggle with the same thing. Here's my thought. We each have, or MAY have, as close and personal a relationship with Jesus as if we were the only human on the planet. It is available to us.

And each of our children may have as close and personal and unique a relationship with us as if they were our only child. (Doesn't usually happen that way, but should and could.) So, it is us fellas' JOBto make our relationship with each of our wives so personal and unique and intense as if they were our "ne and only".

In turn, just as I have to concentrate on my own relationship with Christ, and have no cause to be jealous of or concentrating on someone else's, (in fact Jesus chewed Peter but good for even inquiring about His plans for John,); and just as kids are in the same boat as regards their siblings, it seems so with wives. Tough, but part of growing.

Prolly makes sense on the intellectual level, but hard to get working in the heart. For me at least, so reasonable if it is for everyone else as well.
 
SweetLissa,

Your perception on this subject is very beautiful and eye-opening. As a first wife who was used to being the (only) apple of my husband's eye, I can sympathize with other first wives who struggle with the day-to-day reality that there is now another person thrown into the mix!

However, when I hear the perspective of another second wife, it helps me see so much more clearly that I probably have the easier position. I've had the unconditional love of my husband for 20 years, and his love for me has only gotten stronger and more precious since he has taken a second wife.

It's easy to get lost in our insecurities, but the truth is, when we're focusing on those insecurities, we can't focus on what the Lord or our husband would have us to do. I know, I know, easier said than done! It is our fallen human nature to want to focus on things in our lives that aren't going the way we want them to go, but that is when we ask the Lord to renew our minds -- by the washing of the water of the Word--and help us to remember that we are the Lord's and everything that we do is for His honor and glory.

I hope this doesn't come over as critical, because it isn't meant that way. I say this only as encouragement to those who are living PM and are overwhelmed with the difficulty of the life-altering changes that come with it. Let the Lord renew your mind daily, hourly, moment-by-moment. When we are looking at what He desires, then our desires will fade away and joy will take their place.
 
deut30 said:
As a first wife who was used to being the (only) apple of my husband's eye

May I venture to guess that you're STILL the apple of his eye? That he's just made room for another apple as well, or perhaps a peach? :D
 
CecilW said:
deut30 said:
As a first wife who was used to being the (only) apple of my husband's eye

May I venture to guess that you're STILL the apple of his eye? That he's just made room for another apple as well, or perhaps a peach? :D


Yes, definitely!

And I think he has added a mango to our family!
 
SweetLissa - thanks for your thoughtful words! I appreciate you as always (and hope to see you Thursday - missed ya last week)

Cecil - love your latest thought-provoking post and bringing up Peter asking about John. Good stuff...definitely going to try to focus on those concepts/truths.

Deut30 - your post was beautifully written - not critical in any way. I have wondered how you all were doing since I haven't heard much since reading your blog. Thanks for taking the time to post!!!
 
seekHim1 said:
Thanks so much, Cecil. You know, as I think about it, hubby recently brought up an analogy regarding the LORD with us vs. a hubby with more than one wife and as much as I hated to admit it, he was right. You're probably right too, but in my flesh, it just doesn't seem that simple many days. I agree though, this kind of family has opened my eyes to the divine family as well.

Hubby's analogy had to do with my cry that I feel like there is no longer anything sacred between us; there is nothing that sets me apart anymore. He said he has had similar feelings with the LORD like thinking the LORD bestowed some secret tidbit to him only to find others the LORD has also shared with. Hubby said it is that same feeling of, "What makes me so special?" He said he realized that it's vanity and pride to look at it that way. Ouch.


Its not vanity and pride for a woman to want to be special in her husbands eyes. I feel special in my Lords love...he made me unique and for a special purpose. Its comments and ideas like this that trample women and the beauty of marriage that give poly the bad name it has. My wife is very special to me and no woman can ever replace what we have, nor could my wife replace what I share with another. Why would any woman allow that other woman into the house if she felt it took away from her relationship with her husband????? Shape up guys!!! Love your wife as Christ loved the church and gave himself for it...that he might present it to himself a glorious church without spot or wrinkle...holy and without blemish. Its YOUR duty to make your wife feel loved and special. Your relationship with God FULLY depends on your relationship with your wife....make her feel special and then you might feel special in Gods love.
 
CecilW said:
Ok Ladies, I understand that it is difficult to wrap yourself around the idea that your husband wants to have another wife, when he's already got YOU. And even if you kind of accept it on a theoretical theological level, the thought of him going OFF SOMEWHERES, doing WHO KNOWS WHAT together, without you, may well be crazy-making!

Well, more accurately, I THINK I understand it. Admittedly, I am a guy.

But something occurred to me as a way of thinking about it that MIGHT be helpful. So I decided to put it out here, and y'all can tell if it is good or screwey. Easy enough to delete it if needed. *wry grin* Fair enough?

It's this idea of relationship bubbles, mentioned elsewhere in this forum, taken even further.

The first plurally married guy I went and visited said, "People don't think about it, but when you change from monogamy to polygamy the number of relationships you have grows exponentially, NOT by "addition". They think that they're adding a wife, so now they will have two relationships. Not so. They'll have three each."

He went on to explain that when it's just Adam and Eve, they've got a bubble of relationship that surrounds them that is independent of everyone else, and which others cannot properly attempt to breach or control. One. But when Jill shows up, the overall marriage instantly jumps to FOUR. Adam-Eve, Adam-Jill, Eve-Jill, and Adam-Eve-Jill (when they're interacting all together.)

Now here's the thing. Adam can't validly try to micro manage the relationship between Eve and Jill. He can only work on his with each of them, and that of the three of them together. For most guys, no problem. We don't want to anyway.

And Jill has at least SOME advantage, in that she's coming to the the relationships knowing that a prior relationship already exists between Adam and Eve.

Eve is the one with a hard time as she struggles with an urge to try to control the Adam-Jill relationship, or at least monitor it and be kept completely in the loop. Unfortunately, doing so would make it the Adam-Eve-Jill relationship instead of the Adam-Jill. *sigh* What to do?

This weekend, it occurred to me that if we could get used to and truly accept that such a multi-person relationship ALREADY EXISTS, it might be easier to accept the addition of one more.

What or who already exists as a third person in our monogamous marriages? Well, don't the pastors that marry us all manage to drone on and on about how Christ is gonna be the third person in our marriage? The unseen guest at our table, the ... (And we're thinking 'Shut UP already, so we can get to the KISSING part!' :lol: )?

So you have a relationship with Jesus, right? Independent and separate from that of your husband, who has his own of course. Then there's your relationship with your husband directly, and finally that of all three of you together (Aaaah, THAT's what family worship is -- the three of you hanging out together!) And you DO accept that you can't control your husband's relationship with Jesus, right? Or, if you're reading this, fellas, you DO honor your wife's independent relationship with Him, right? (If not, we need to TALK!)

So I'm wondering whether if we can wrap our minds around the idea that our marriage has already got multiple bubbles going on, maybe we can more easily scoot our egos over, and make room for one more?

Ok, it's late and I may well be rambling. Somebody else take over. I'm going to sleep. :roll:
This is very insightful and beautiful. I am highly impressed.
 
I would like to add a little something.. from the perspective of second wife also.

I have to say it has not been very easy going and I am still very much in the thick of it as far as being a married woman. it being somewhat difficult has nothing to do with my being "not special enough" to my husband or them smooching and him giving her lovin'. The thing that Lissa said about T being the wife of his youth and being the mom of his kids- that's the part that i have the little jealous twinges about I have to say!! I've always wanted lots of kids-as a girl I made up lists of names after school and imagined everything that I was goin to teach them as if I had my own little school! Anyway, I have confessed this to both of them and am dealing with accepting what my position in the family is (actually trying to figure out what that is still-almost there :) Anyway, It reminds me of the same thing I felt when I became a chrsitian and i was sooooo jealous of those people who were "raised in the church" Did they know how easy they had it? They could never imagine what a big head start they had on people like me!!! UUUgh! Stupid jealousy right? I felt like they had it so easy. Didn't have to go through all the struggleing of being yukky in the world before they understood their purpose in life and got down to the business of why they were even created.

Anyway, the first wife in my family was always raised a chrsitian and her family was in ministry and she has the many beautiful kids and "they raised each other" thing while I was a nasty wretch slowly destroying my life. You can see that she has much to be praised about and she has the "children and hubby rise up and called her blessed" thing going on! I think that now I am making peace with how I was supposed to be where I am now and how the journey for me to get here was just supposed to be different from hers and it helps me see things differently than she does. Still much journeying to go!!! I even see some of the negatives of being raised in a "christian home." Same as I'm seeing negatives to being first big mama :)and positives of being the newcomer underdog.

I want to say too that my husband's first wife is one awesome woman who has "overcome" many of the negatives of being raised in a christian home. As I have realized what those negatives are she has shown me that she already overcame them or is working on it. I have never met anyone who will work on themselves so unpridefully when they find a fault. She has shown me that talk is cheap (that's why I do it so much-I been broke for a long time) and that actually doing the right thing is sooo much more valuable and worthy of our time! Anyway got off topic --just wanted to give her a shout out :)
 
Itsoktobesingle <img src=\"{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_e_wink.gif\" alt=\";)\" title=\"Wink\" /> said:
just wanted to give her a shout out :)

Well, ya done THAT but good! :o :lol:

Still wondering, though ... just what ARE these potential negatives to being raised in a Christian home? Do we need a separate thread so this one doesn't get sidetracked? If you got some good observations to share, I for one wanna HEAR 'EM. :)
 
Maria (itsoktobesingle) gives me far more credit than I deserve, and and I'm so very thankful that the Lord brought her to our family.

You know, the Lord brings each of us through our different trials and struggles so that we can be molded into the person that He would have us to be. Christians have no right to judge anyone on their past life if someone has turned to the Lord and forsaken that past. More importantly, God is able to use all of those "yucky" experiences for His honor and His glory, and that's our purpose for living, right!

I have great respect and deep admiration for Maria because she was able to come away from such a difficult past with her eyes never looking away from her Heavenly Father. He has done a great work in her life, and bringing her to our family is causing Him to do a great work in our lives.

Love you, Maria!
 
Hubby and I were talking this evening while walking, about how God is bringing people to us that need us. Their stories uniquely mingle with our stories so that we are uniquely able to give good sound counsel. It is truly amazing to me how well thought out and organized God's plan for our life is. If we had one less struggle on our journey or one more twist or turn, we would not be where we are at this moment, when people need us.

I say this to Itsokay and Duet30 because the reality is that you both walked down different paths to get to the same destination. Duet will encounter people that will need her wise counsel and Itsokay will encounter people who need her particular brand of life and you will both be so blessed by what God does through you.

Bless you both.

SweetLissa
 
I hope I am not off subject here, but as to relationship bubbles and polygynous man sharing, I am a firm believer in each lady having her own dwelling (bedroom, bathroom, kitchen and living room) based on my own polygynous experience, based on the research of anthropologists/ethnologists (see my file/document at the sites given below) - - - - -

Keys2SuccessfulBiblicalPoly - Improved
REVISED: Some Anthropological and Biblical Thoughts on Biblical
Christian Polygyny/polygamy. Some Keys to Successful Biblical Polygyny
COPYRIGHT © October 25, 2003, revised 07/02/08 All rights reserved.
by R. L. Tyler

- - - - - - - - - and based on the experience of successful modern polygynists like the Indian Princess/Maharanni, Devi, also found in the Files/Document section of the groups listed below:

A PRINCESS REMEMBERS
The Memoirs of the Maharani of Jaipur
by Gyatri Devi of Jaipur and Rama Rau
J.B. Lippincott Co.; New York, 1972
REVIEW COPYRIGHT JANUARY 14, 2005; updated June 11, 2005 All rights reserved.

The Maharani of Jaipur, Gayatri Devi, was a thoroughly 20th
century, modern, well educated in England, intelligent and lovely
Indian lady,-- and a polygynist. Her grandparents' palace home was
divided into two parts, each with its own entrance. There were
the "zenana quarters for the women" so that the only men who
would see the women of the family were the husband and the
male members of the immediate family. The Moslems
introduced the custom in the 12th century and many rich and
noble families adopted the custom from the 16th century through
the 20th century. [A Princess Remembers, p.18]

When the Maharani's husband, Jai, first married, an arranged
marriage, his wife was located in the "zenana apartments in the
City palace" but Jai lived in the countryside palace five minutes
away and only saw her when he visited the City palace. The
zenana ladies would often picnic in his country palace, attended
by their maids, which was famous for its beautiful gardens.
[APR, pp 100,101]

It is so much easier and less stressful for each wife to have her own place, and when another wife comes on board, nothing changes in each wife's little private domain, greatly adding to their sense of security and stability.

I believe the first wife should support her husband if he is led to marry yet another, at least in prayer in fasting.
It is best if the present wives are in harmony and unity with their husband if he seeks yet another wife, but that
is an EXTREMELY RARE occurrence. Wives are plagues by fears and insecurities, fear of losing their relationship with
their man, fear of being loved less, being less desired, less needed. With divorce and separation so common today
the temptation to feel insecure in the relationship is very real.
Personally I believe that the polygynist is extremely FOOLISH if he is passionately committed to honoring the principles
of Ex 21, Prov 5 and 1 Cor 7
***21:10 If he takes ANOTHER WIFE to himself, her food, clothing, and conjugal privilege{5772} as a wife he shall not diminish.
[Strong's {5772} `ownah, o-naw'; meaning to dwell together; sexual (cohabitation): — duty of marriage.]

***7:2 but because of and to avoid sexual immorality each man should be [sexually] having his own woman, and each woman should be [sexually] having her own man. . . .4. The woman doesn't have [sexual] authority over her own body, but the husband [does]; in like manner also the man doesn't have [sexual] authority over his own body, but the woman [does]. 5 Do not be denying each other [sexually], unless, it may be, by consent for a time, that you may devote yourselves to fasting and prayer, and again be conjugally cohabiting [sexually reuniting], that Satan tempt you not because of your incontinence

******Prov. 5:18 Your fountain/genital should be blessed; and rejoice and be glad with the wife of your youth. 19 . . . her breasts should satisfy/intoxicate/saturate you at all times; you should be intoxicated continually with her [sexual] loving

If I were the wife of a Biblical polygynist and he was not totally committed to abiding by these principles, I would not trust him, would be greatly tempted to fear and insecurity, and would throw myself into fasting prayer for him and his desire. If he is a godly man and is committed to the principles in the Scriptures above, then the challenge to his current wives is to live according to
***Eph 4:1I therefore, a prisoner for the Lord, urge you to walk in a manner worthy of the calling to which you have been called, 2with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love, 3eager to maintain the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace.

My experience in seeking another wife has not followed any set path, other than calling on Jesus to lead me and guide me, trusting Him to work and will in me His work and will in the matter. Even to this day we have only the most tenuous hold on the Ephes 4:1-3 experience. My ladies have all had great difficulties with the "wives submit yourselves to your husbands in everything as unto the Lord" experience. As to the Eph 5:33 "the wife see that she respects her husband" principle, when they get disrespectful they find themselves talking either to my back or to an empty room. As to my Lady A, I was without a wife at the time and was sparrowing about seeking the wife that Jesus would provide, after I had committed myself to marry whoever He chose no matter how I felt about her. He miraculously brought us together and told her to marry me. Then there was Lady B who I met and befriended in a supermarket on a cold and rainy night, who said she would be my concubine, did not want to end my relationship with Lady A, after Lady A had kicked me out over an dispute re her kids. Then there was Lady C who I met at a supermarket with her kids, hired her to be my once a week housekeeper, and with whom I fell in love while still separated from Lady A, and separated by 120 miles from Lady B. Lady C said she would be my concubine, did not want to end my relationship with Lady A. Lady A had told me that she would divorce me in a year if I didn't measure up to her standards, and Lady C came on board with only 8 months left before Lady A's "D" day. I met Lady D walking on the side walk in El Centro in 110 degree temperatures, invited her to lunch. Two weeks later she accepted my luncheon invitation and months later she let me know she wanted to be my Lady. She readily and willingly committed to sharing me with Lady A when Lady A and I reconciled after five years of on again off again separation. Lady A accepts Lady D because she is such a godly and committed Christian lady. Both Lady A and Lady D don't like Lady C and want her to stay out of the pictures because she is spiritually such a loose cannon. Lady B wanted her privacy more than me and she bailed after five years. My way is not the recommended way to seek and find another wife, but it certainly reflects real life.

One of the main things that gives me great pause when the thought of marrying another wife is Exod 21:10 and Elihu's experience with it:

###Elihu starts off having marital intimacy three times a week with his wife, Sabrina.

### When ELIHU takes himself another [wife] , Hortensia, his wife Sabrina's food, clothing, their intimate duty of marriage shall not be lessened. This means that three nights he has marital intimacy with Lulu and three nights he has marital intimacy with Hortensia. He draws up and has notarized a LLC to protect and care for his family.

THEN
###When ELIHU takes himself another [wife] , Safronia, he knows that the food, clothing, and intimate duty of marriage of his wives ---Hortensia and Sabrina --- shall not be lessened. So now six nights he has marital intimacy with Lulu and Hortensia, one night and two weekend afternoons of intimacy with Safronia. They have a rotating schedule that determines who he sleeps with each night.
Everybody spends most of the time together Saturdays and Sundays, picnicking, swimming, hiking, singing, dancing and going from house to house potlucking. Safronia is added to the LLC, and they qualify for a small group medical and dental insurance plan.

THEN
###When ELIHU takes himself another [wife] , Mary Lou, he knows that the food, clothing, and intimate duty of marriage of his wives ---Safronia, Hortensia and Sabrina --- shall not be lessened. So now he has to split three of his evenings, having a couple of hours of after dinner marital intimacy with two of his wives for three nights, and after nine marital intimacy with one of his wives three nights a week. He finally gets to sleep at 11. They have a rotating schedule that determines who he sleeps with each night. By now two of his wives have paying jobs and he is able to cut pack his work to 3/4 time. He has obtained a Viagra prescription. Mary Lou is added to the LLC and the small group medical and dental insurance plan. Everybody spends most of the time together Saturdays and Sundays, picnicking, swimming, hiking, singing, dancing and going from house to house potlucking.

THEN
###When ELIHU takes himself another [wife], Harriet, he knows that the food, clothing, and intimate duty of marriage of his wives ---Mary Lou, Safronia, Hortensia and Sabrina --- shall not be lessened. So now he has to split six of his evenings, having a couple of hours of after dinner marital intimacy with two of his wives for three nights, and after nine marital intimacy with two of his wives three nights a week. He finally gets to sleep at 11. They have a rotating schedule that determines who he sleeps with each night. By now three of his wives have paying jobs, two are taking care of the children and he is able to cut pack his work to 1/2 time. Harriet is added to the LLC and the small group medical and dental insurance plan. Everybody spends most of the time together Saturdays and Sundays, picnicking, swimming, hiking, singing, dancing and going from house to house potlucking. They have purchased a ten unit apartment/townhouse complex, each wife having her own apartment in the complex.

THEN
###When ELIHU takes himself another [wife], Betty Lou, and he knows that the food, clothing, the intimate duty of marriage of his wives ---Harriet, Mary Lou, Safronia, Hortensia and Sabrina --- shall not be lessened. So now he has to split seven of his evenings, having a couple of hours of after dinner marital intimacy with two of his wives for three nights, after nine marital intimacy with two of his wives three nights a week, and Sat and Sunday morning intimacy with his wives. He finally gets to sleep at 11 and sleeps until 7. They have a rotating schedule that determines who he sleeps with each night. By now four of his wives have paying jobs, two are caring for the children and he is able to cut pack his work to 1/2 time. He had to get a medicated lotion from the doctor to soothe the irritation of the skin on his genital. Betty Lou is added to the LLC and the small group medical and dental insurance plan. Everybody spends most of the time together Saturdays and Sundays, picnicking, swimming, hiking, singing, dancing and going from house to house potlucking.

THEN
###When ELIHU takes himself another [wife], Scherazade, and he knows that the food, clothing, the intimate duty of marriage of his wives ---Betty Lou, Harriet, Mary Lou, Safronia, Hortensia and Sabrina --- shall not be lessened. So now he has 3-5 pm marital intimacy with one of his wives three times a week before dinner, has to split seven of his evenings, having a couple of hours of after dinner marital intimacy with two of his wives for three nights, after nine marital intimacy with two of his wives three nights a week each, and Sat and Sunday morning intimacy with his wives. He finally gets to sleep at 11 and sleeps until 7. They have a rotating schedule that determines who he sleeps with each night. By now four of his wives have paying jobs, three are caring for and homeschooling the children and he is able to cut pack his work to on call consultant work. He continues to have to use medicated lotion from the doctor to soothe the irritation of the skin on his genital, but now also has to have a prescription to help him deal with his lower back pain and spasms. Sherazade is added to the LLC and the small group medical and dental insurance plan. Everybody spends most of the time together Saturdays and Sundays, picnicking, swimming, hiking, singing, dancing and going from house to house potlucking.

THEN
###When ELIHU takes himself another [wife], Mizriamine, he knows that the food, clothing, and intimate duty of marriage of his wives ---Scherazade, Betty Lou, Harriet, Mary Lou, Safronia, Hortensia and Sabrina --- shall not be lessened. So now he has 3-5 pm marital intimacy with one of his wives six times a week before dinner, has to split seven of his evenings, having a couple of hours of after dinner marital intimacy with two of his wives for three nights, after nine marital intimacy with two of his wives three nights a week each, and Sat and Sunday morning intimacy with his wives. He finally gets to sleep at 11 and sleeps until 7. They have a rotating schedule that determines who he sleeps with each night. By now five of his wives have paying jobs, three are caring for and homeschooling the children and he no longer works for pay and helps home school his children. He continues to have to use medicated lotion from the doctor to soothe the irritation of the skin on his genital, but now also has to have a prescription to help him deal with his lower back pain and spasms. Mizriamine is added to the LLC and the small group medical and dental insurance plan. Everybody spends most of the time together Saturdays and Sundays, picnicking, swimming, hiking, singing, dancing and going from house to house potlucking.

###THEN Mizriamine,-Scherazade, Betty Lou, Harriet, Mary Lou, Safronia, Hortensia and Sabrina get to go to Elihu's funeral, Elihu having died of heart failure while performing intimate duties of marriage, dying with a tired smile on his face. After mourning his wives had a beach party and Bar-B-Q with assorted wine coolers, mourning, singing and dancing until the late hours of the night. At that time they decided to start a child care and home schooling center, and look around for Elihu's replacement.

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In light of the post about bubbles today, just thought I'd bring this back to the active status in hopes it might be of help.

Yeah, ET *grin*, off topic. This one is relationship bubbles for togetherness, not whole houses for seperation. :) I'm afraid your very good points may be lost here. They may well deserve a topic of their own. But they are good and worth considering.
 
Speaking personally, I find the "bubble theory" confusing. I don't want another wife in my "marriage"....another wife in my husband's life?, yes! Another wife in my family and home?, Yes! A marriage is different than all these other relationships, IMHO. I will be marrying the man, not the women. I definitely want to be close friends with the other wives but I view each marriage within a PM family to be a separate and distinct relationship between the husband and the wife.....no 3rd member. Obviously, each family has to decide what works best for them. This is just what works best for me.
Blessings,
Fairlight
 
Fair enough, Fairlight.

The intended point is that you have a relationship with that other wife. It can be good, bad, nasty, marvelous, whatever. But it is your own relationship with that other person.

And opposed to your relationship with folks outside the family, the teller at the bank, fer instance, it is a pretty important one, significant to your marriage because you also have one (primary) with your husband, and HE also has a primary relationship with her.

The reason I said "marriage level" was that there may well be kids in the home, but they are on a different level.

Anyways, If the analogy doesn't work for you, fair enough. Ignore it. Neither my nor Sir BumbleBerry's feelings are hurt. *grin* Does seem to help some other folks, so guess its good fer sumpin'. :)
 
Cecil wrote:
"He went on to explain that when it's just Adam and Eve, they've got a bubble of relationship that surrounds them that is independent of everyone else, and which others cannot properly attempt to breach or control. One. But when Jill shows up, the overall marriage instantly jumps to FOUR. Adam-Eve, Adam-Jill, Eve-Jill, and Adam-Eve-Jill (when they're interacting all together.)

SNIP

"This weekend, it occurred to me that if we could get used to and truly accept that such a multi-person relationship ALREADY EXISTS, it might be easier to accept the addition of one more.

"What or who already exists as a third person in our monogamous marriages? Well, don't the pastors that marry us all manage to drone on and on about how Christ is gonna be the third person in our marriage? The unseen guest at our table, the ...

"So you have a relationship with Jesus, right? Independent and separate from that of your husband, who has his own of course. Then there's your relationship with your husband directly, and finally that of all three of you together (Aaaah, THAT's what family worship is -- the three of you hanging out together!) And you DO accept that you can't control your husband's relationship with Jesus, right? Or, if you're reading this, fellas, you DO honor your wife's independent relationship with Him, right? (If not, we need to TALK!)

"So I'm wondering whether if we can wrap our minds around the idea that our marriage has already got multiple bubbles going on, maybe we can more easily scoot our egos over, and make room for one more?

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I like Kody Brown's Sister Wives bubbles, i.e. that all are interacting with each other but each wife has her own private quarters, and Kody is intimate with one wife at a time. The Kody situation to me is almost the ideal.

Then there was the situation of The Maharani of Jaipur, Gayatri Devi. She was one of three wives, each wife having her own "castle" a good distance from the others, and each having her own specific roles and responsibilities. She had good and friendly relations with the mothering one of the three, and had cool respectful relations with the senior and older wife.
Each wife accepted the other wives, for husband Jai's sake. All three wives were with Maharaja Jai at the same time very rarely.
The Memoirs of the Maharani of Jaipur
by Gyatri Devi of Jaipur and Rama Rau
J.B. Lippincott Co.; New York, 1972

I am sad and disappointed that my poly does not achieve the status of Kody's or Devi's. Like Maharaja Jai, each of my ladies are in their own dwelling in their own town, going to their own churches, and very busy with their own children and grandchildren. To protect my life and their own peace of mind and life, most of their children have no idea of the depth of my relationship with each of their mothers/grandmothers. My ladies have no relationship with each other and want no relationship with each other. Two do not speak the same language as the third. Each has her own values and interests and activities making a full and meaningful life, independent of and unknown to the others. Two respect each other because of their faith in Christ. The third is always under suspicion because she is not established in Christ. I love each one passionately and with all my heart and I would not voluntarily give up any one of them. Their children and grandchildren put up with me because they love their mother/grandmother and their mother/grandmother makes it clear to all that she is devoted to this fat, balding, false toothed, old and out of shape man.

So like Cecil's "Adam-Eve, Adam-Jill,", I have me-Lady A, me-Lady B, me-Lady C relationships; but I sure don't have " Eve-Jill, and Adam-Eve-Jill" relationships. Sad. Kody is living the Dream.
 
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