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LovesDogs said:
So i'm understanding correctly, you're saying that if a child grows up and makes bad decisions, the parents didn't do something properly based on that particular verse?

If so that seems like a very heavy burden to carry for both the parents and the children with very strong penalties for mistakes, which we're all prone to making.
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What I am saying is that people who mean well dont know how to train their children to follow God because they themselves dont know how to follow God. The only way to follow Him is how He says to. Today people say that God changed how He wanted to be followed when He clearly said in the old testament that we should not follow or listen to anyone who "entices you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk"(Deut. 13:5) How did God want His people to walk? By following the laws, statutes and judgements that He laid out in His Word. The Word that was written that Christ taught from and explained and expanded upon but never changed. Why do our children not follow the Lord? because we haven't taught them to follow His law, His ways. Parents can have every good intention but if they dont follow Him how He tells them to then their children wont care to follow Him either.
 
The Revolting Man said:
That was risky to the point of irresponsibility. One of my sons is named for a boy who was torn apart by pit bulls he’d known since they were puppies.

His grandfather had to identify the body. We were in the VFW together and I knew his war record. It was as impressive as anyone’s, more so than most’s. But he was shattered by that sight. The boy was unrecognizable. He drank himself to death pretty quick after that and no one blamed him.

The instant dogs are even a fraction anthropomorphized there’s a problem. They’re not people. They shouldn’t be treated like people. It’s not healthy for dog or person. You got very lucky with that pit.
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That was risky to the point of irresponsibility.
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I agree with you, I don't tell the story with any sense of pride, I also don't advise others to do what I did. I'm thankful that the stupidity of my decision ended up working out. I was just using it as an example of what a dog can come back from, if a dog like that can change then others with lesser issues surely can. I even promised myself that if he didn't show signs of improving then I would have to shoot him myself, I didn't think it was fair of me to expect him to live such a miserable life and I would not risk him hurting anyone else, I wouldn't let him near anyone without a muzzle for years. It wasn't his fault though, he was abused and exploited by humans, I wanted to give him a chance, i'm glad I did and thankful it worked out.
His grandfather had to identify the body. We were in the VFW together and I knew his war record. It was as impressive as anyone’s, more so than most’s. But he was shattered by that sight. The boy was unrecognizable. He drank himself to death pretty quick after that and no one blamed him.
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Wow, i'm so sorry. As much of an advocate as I am, i'm not naive enough to think that Pitbull breeds don't have the potential to be highly dangerous. Like I stated earlier many of the Pitbull breeds are hyper focused on children, livestock and prey animals. When that focus and energy is not directed or checked it can be very dangerous such as that situation. Also sometimes people can do everything right but the dog still can't overcome breeding or red-zone issues.
The instant dogs are even a fraction anthropomorphized there’s a problem. They’re not people. They shouldn’t be treated like people. It’s not healthy for dog or person. You got very lucky with that pit.
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I don't see it as anthropomorphizing. Humans domesticated dogs, we made them entirely dependent on us, we should take responsibility for them. If someone doesn't feel that way then it's literally as simple as not owning one or contributing to their overpopulation and suffering. People like myself and others in animal rescue spend our time correcting poor human error by saving dogs, not by idolizing them.

I want nothing more than for a dog to be a dog, I love them so much that I often say I wish humans didn't domesticate them just to destroy them. I'd rather they have stayed wild than living in shelters for years without human contact only to be euthanized or being abandoned on the side of a highway by a family they loved to starve for months at a time, among many other absolutely atrocious things humans do to them.

Also my dogs may lay on my bed and be loved but they are still very much dogs. I want them to enjoy being dogs, I take them in the woods all the time for hikes, let them be free, smell stupid things they want to smell, chase and "hunt" whatever they want to, roll in the dirt, swim in the ponds and rivers and then get in my car all filthy. Nothing makes me happier than watching them enjoy life doing dog stuff. I don't name them Spencer and Bentley, dress them up in dresses with bows on their heads and parade them around like children or humans. I love them because they're dogs and because they're not people, I don't treat them as such and I don't expect them to be.
 
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Asforme&myhouse said:
I don’t think you’re wrong
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Proverbs 22 was just highlighting a concept that is made and promised over 20 other times in the scripture. Much like a prudent wife is a gift from Yahweh, or when it talks about a woman being valued above rubies, we believe these statements to be true and proved by the whole counsel.
 
Leslie Pease said:
What I am saying is that people who mean well dont know how to train their children to follow God because they themselves dont know how to follow God. The only way to follow Him is how He says to. Today people say that God changed how He wanted to be followed when He clearly said in the old testament that we should not follow or listen to anyone who "entices you from the way in which the LORD your God commanded you to walk"(Deut. 13:5) How did God want His people to walk? By following the laws, statutes and judgements that He laid out in His Word. The Word that was written that Christ taught from and explained and expanded upon but never changed. Why do our children not follow the Lord? because we haven't taught them to follow His law, His ways. Parents can have every good intention but if they dont follow Him how He tells them to then their children wont care to follow Him either.
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So by that thought process, if unchristian parents brought up a child who now chose their own path which involves following the Lord, will those parents be blessed?

This seems like a one-way street to me, with little exception for real life errors or circumstances.
 
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Leslie Pease said:
Proberbs 22:6 says "Train up a child in the way he should go, And when he is old he will not depart from it."
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Proverbs are not laws, they are proverbs. They are good advice, and sometimes also state the likely result of taking such good advice. However, not everyone who takes that good advice will see that exact result - they're just more likely to.

Does Proverbs 20:13 mean that every person who keeps awake and doesn't sleep too much will always have plenty of bread and are immune from famine? Of course not. It means if you don't waste too much time sleeping you're more likely to have food security. But there are a lot more factors involved that can affect that outcome.

A proverb is not a promise. It is advice to increase the probability of a favourable outcome.
 
I think the Proverbs 22 passage is much simpler than we have made it out. The Cobblers kids will likely pick up shoe making and the mechanics kids will be very mechanically inclined, etc. We always want to spiritualize a very earthy admonition. Maybe like the old phrase, Children learn what they live.
 
FollowingHim said:
Proverbs are not laws, they are proverbs. They are good advice, and sometimes also state the likely result of taking such good advice. However, not everyone who takes that good advice will see that exact result - they're just more likely to.

Does Proverbs 20:13 mean that every person who keeps awake and doesn't sleep too much will always have plenty of bread and are immune from famine? Of course not. It means if you don't waste too much time sleeping you're more likely to have food security. But there are a lot more factors involved that can affect that outcome.

A proverb is not a promise. It is advice to increase the probability of a favourable outcome.
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That's why I pointed out that the Proverb is just a reminder of what the whole counsel says. There are plenty of good promises of raising up Yah fearing children. The Proverb points you back to what the promises say.

Deuteronomy 4
1¶'And now, Israel, hearken unto the statutes, and unto the judgments which I am teaching you to do, so that ye live, and have gone in, and possessed the land which Jehovah God of your fathers is giving to you.
2Ye do not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor diminish from it, to keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I am commanding you.
3'Your eyes are seeing that which Jehovah hath done in Baal-Peor, for every man who hath gone after Baal-Peor, Jehovah thy God hath destroyed him from thy midst;
4and ye who are cleaving to Jehovah your God, are alive, all of you, to-day.
5¶'See, I have taught you statutes and judgments, as Jehovah my God hath commanded me -- to do so, in the midst of the land whither ye are going in to possess it;
6and ye have kept and done them (for it is your wisdom and your understanding) before the eyes of the peoples who hear all these statutes, and they have said, Only, a people wise and understanding is this great nation.
7¶'For which is the great nation that hath God near unto it, as Jehovah our God, in all we have called unto him?
8and which is the great nation which hath righteous statutes and judgments according to all this law which I am setting before you to-day?
9'Only, take heed to thyself, and watch thy soul exceedingly, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they turn aside from thy heart, all days of thy life; and thou hast made them known to thy sons, and to thy sons' sons.

Deuteronomy 6
1¶'And this is the command, the statutes and the judgments which Jehovah your God hath commanded to teach you, to do in the land which ye are passing over thither to possess it,
2so that thou dost fear Jehovah thy God, to keep all His statutes and His commands, which I am commanding thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all days of thy life, and so that thy days are prolonged.
3'And thou hast heard, O Israel, and observed to do, that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest multiply exceedingly, as Jehovah, God of thy fathers, hath spoken to thee, in the land flowing with milk and honey.
4¶'Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;
5and thou hast loved Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might,
6¶and these words which I am commanding thee to-day have been on thine heart,
7and thou hast repeated them to thy sons, and spoken of them in thy sitting in thine house, and in thy walking in the way, and in thy lying down, and in thy rising up,
8and hast bound them for a sign upon thy hand, and they have been for frontlets between thine eyes,
9and thou hast written them on door-posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
10¶'And it hath been, when Jehovah thy God doth bring thee in unto the land which He hath sworn to thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to thee -- cities great and good, which thou hast not built,
11and houses full of all good things which thou hast not filled, and wells digged which thou hast not digged, vineyards and olive-yards which thou hast not planted, and thou hast eaten, and been satisfied;
12'Take heed to thyself lest thou forget Jehovah who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of a house of servants;
13Jehovah thy God thou dost fear, and Him thou dost serve, and by His name thou dost swear;
14ye do not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples who are round about you;
15for a zealous God is Jehovah thy God in thy midst -- lest the anger of Jehovah thy God burn against thee, and He hath destroyed thee from off the face of the ground.

Isaiah 54
13And all thy sons are taught of Jehovah, And abundant is the peace of thy sons.
14In righteousness thou establishest thyself, Be far from oppression, for thou fearest not, And from ruin, for it cometh not near unto thee.

Deuteronomy 11
18¶'And ye have placed these my words on your heart, and on your soul, and have bound them for a sign on your hand, and they have been for frontlets between your eyes;
19and ye have taught them to your sons, by speaking of them in thy sitting in thy house, and in thy going in the way, and in thy lying down, and in thy rising up,
20and hast written them on the side-posts of thy house, and on thy gates,
21so that your days are multiplied, and the days of your sons, on the ground which Jehovah hath sworn to your fathers to give to them, as the days of the heavens on the earth.
22¶'For, if ye diligently keep all this command which I am commanding you -- to do it, to love Jehovah your God, to walk in all His ways, and to cleave to Him,
23then hath Jehovah dispossessed all these nations from before you, and ye have possessed nations, greater and mightier than you;
24every place on which the sole of your foot treadeth is yours; from the wilderness, and Lebanon, from the river, the river Phrat, even unto the farther sea is your border;
25no man doth station himself in your presence; your dread and your fear doth Jehovah your God put on the face of all the land on which ye tread, as He hath spoken to you.
26¶'See, I am setting before you to-day a blessing and a reviling:
27the blessing, when ye hearken unto the commands of Jehovah your God, which I am commanding you to-day;
28and the reviling, if ye do not hearken unto the commands of Jehovah your God, and have turned aside out of the way which I am commanding you to-day, to go after other gods which ye have not known.

1st Timothy 3
1¶Stedfast is the word: If any one the oversight doth long for, a right work he desireth;
2it behoveth, therefore, the overseer to be blameless, of one wife a husband, vigilant, sober, decent, a friend of strangers, apt to teach,
3not given to wine, not a striker, not given to filthy lucre, but gentle, not contentious, not a lover of money,
4his own house leading well, having children in subjection with all gravity,
5(and if any one his own house how to lead hath not known, how an assembly of God shall he take care of?)

Titus
5¶For this cause left I thee in Crete, that the things lacking thou mayest arrange, and mayest set down in every city elders, as I did appoint to thee;
6if any one is blameless, of one wife a husband, having children stedfast, not under accusation of riotous living or insubordinate --



Paul's qaulifications for an overseer was that children are in order/subjection and also faithful. Faithful children are a testimony of you, unfaithful children can disqualify you.
 
James Pease said:
That's why I pointed out that the Proverb is just a reminder of what the whole counsel says. There are plenty of good promises of raising up Yah fearing children. The Proverb points you back to what the promises say.

Deuteronomy 4
1¶'And now, Israel, hearken unto the statutes, and unto the judgments which I am teaching you to do, so that ye live, and have gone in, and possessed the land which Jehovah God of your fathers is giving to you.
2Ye do not add to the word which I am commanding you, nor diminish from it, to keep the commands of Jehovah your God which I am commanding you.
3'Your eyes are seeing that which Jehovah hath done in Baal-Peor, for every man who hath gone after Baal-Peor, Jehovah thy God hath destroyed him from thy midst;
4and ye who are cleaving to Jehovah your God, are alive, all of you, to-day.
5¶'See, I have taught you statutes and judgments, as Jehovah my God hath commanded me -- to do so, in the midst of the land whither ye are going in to possess it;
6and ye have kept and done them (for it is your wisdom and your understanding) before the eyes of the peoples who hear all these statutes, and they have said, Only, a people wise and understanding is this great nation.
7¶'For which is the great nation that hath God near unto it, as Jehovah our God, in all we have called unto him?
8and which is the great nation which hath righteous statutes and judgments according to all this law which I am setting before you to-day?
9'Only, take heed to thyself, and watch thy soul exceedingly, lest thou forget the things which thine eyes have seen, and lest they turn aside from thy heart, all days of thy life; and thou hast made them known to thy sons, and to thy sons' sons.

Deuteronomy 6
1¶'And this is the command, the statutes and the judgments which Jehovah your God hath commanded to teach you, to do in the land which ye are passing over thither to possess it,
2so that thou dost fear Jehovah thy God, to keep all His statutes and His commands, which I am commanding thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all days of thy life, and so that thy days are prolonged.
3'And thou hast heard, O Israel, and observed to do, that it may be well with thee, and that thou mayest multiply exceedingly, as Jehovah, God of thy fathers, hath spoken to thee, in the land flowing with milk and honey.
4¶'Hear, O Israel, Jehovah our God is one Jehovah;
5and thou hast loved Jehovah thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might,
6¶and these words which I am commanding thee to-day have been on thine heart,
7and thou hast repeated them to thy sons, and spoken of them in thy sitting in thine house, and in thy walking in the way, and in thy lying down, and in thy rising up,
8and hast bound them for a sign upon thy hand, and they have been for frontlets between thine eyes,
9and thou hast written them on door-posts of thy house, and on thy gates.
10¶'And it hath been, when Jehovah thy God doth bring thee in unto the land which He hath sworn to thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give to thee -- cities great and good, which thou hast not built,
11and houses full of all good things which thou hast not filled, and wells digged which thou hast not digged, vineyards and olive-yards which thou hast not planted, and thou hast eaten, and been satisfied;
12'Take heed to thyself lest thou forget Jehovah who hath brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of a house of servants;
13Jehovah thy God thou dost fear, and Him thou dost serve, and by His name thou dost swear;
14ye do not go after other gods, of the gods of the peoples who are round about you;
15for a zealous God is Jehovah thy God in thy midst -- lest the anger of Jehovah thy God burn against thee, and He hath destroyed thee from off the face of the ground.

Isaiah 54
13And all thy sons are taught of Jehovah, And abundant is the peace of thy sons.
14In righteousness thou establishest thyself, Be far from oppression, for thou fearest not, And from ruin, for it cometh not near unto thee.

Deuteronomy 11
18¶'And ye have placed these my words on your heart, and on your soul, and have bound them for a sign on your hand, and they have been for frontlets between your eyes;
19and ye have taught them to your sons, by speaking of them in thy sitting in thy house, and in thy going in the way, and in thy lying down, and in thy rising up,
20and hast written them on the side-posts of thy house, and on thy gates,
21so that your days are multiplied, and the days of your sons, on the ground which Jehovah hath sworn to your fathers to give to them, as the days of the heavens on the earth.
22¶'For, if ye diligently keep all this command which I am commanding you -- to do it, to love Jehovah your God, to walk in all His ways, and to cleave to Him,
23then hath Jehovah dispossessed all these nations from before you, and ye have possessed nations, greater and mightier than you;
24every place on which the sole of your foot treadeth is yours; from the wilderness, and Lebanon, from the river, the river Phrat, even unto the farther sea is your border;
25no man doth station himself in your presence; your dread and your fear doth Jehovah your God put on the face of all the land on which ye tread, as He hath spoken to you.
26¶'See, I am setting before you to-day a blessing and a reviling:
27the blessing, when ye hearken unto the commands of Jehovah your God, which I am commanding you to-day;
28and the reviling, if ye do not hearken unto the commands of Jehovah your God, and have turned aside out of the way which I am commanding you to-day, to go after other gods which ye have not known.

1st Timothy 3
1¶Stedfast is the word: If any one the oversight doth long for, a right work he desireth;
2it behoveth, therefore, the overseer to be blameless, of one wife a husband, vigilant, sober, decent, a friend of strangers, apt to teach,
3not given to wine, not a striker, not given to filthy lucre, but gentle, not contentious, not a lover of money,
4his own house leading well, having children in subjection with all gravity,
5(and if any one his own house how to lead hath not known, how an assembly of God shall he take care of?)

Titus
5¶For this cause left I thee in Crete, that the things lacking thou mayest arrange, and mayest set down in every city elders, as I did appoint to thee;
6if any one is blameless, of one wife a husband, having children stedfast, not under accusation of riotous living or insubordinate --



Paul's qaulifications for an overseer was that children are in order/subjection and also faithful. Faithful children are a testimony of you, unfaithful children can disqualify you.
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The promises seem to have to do with living in the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants, wouldn’t living in Israel be part of raising one’s children in accordance with what is said in those verses? Or do you see it as more of a spiritualized set of promises?
 
Asforme&myhouse said:
The promises seem to have to do with living in the land God promised to Abraham and his descendants, wouldn’t living in Israel be part of raising one’s children in accordance with what is said in those verses? Or do you see it as more of a spiritualized set of promises?
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Myself, I see them as applying to any Israelite whether natural born or adopted, even out of the land. Daniel had a lot to say about the Torah outside of the land. Keep in mind Abraham never entered the land as well but is promised to. I look forward to the return to the land and the rule of our Messiah. My 2 cents
 
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