January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Why? I've never been "anti-Trump". Would have voted for him if I was an American.

I disagree with his conduct surrounding the start of this conflict, as stated earlier. I am impressed with his conduct around ending it.

The issues I identified earlier regarding reputational damage to the US negotiating position are still completely true. And I now realize it's even more serious, as the IAEA has also lost credibility through this. Iran will never cooperate with them again, and over time other countries may stop also. So much damage has been done to the fundamental institutions and diplomatic conventions that peace is based on, and the world is more dangerous as a result.

But Trump did manage to walk this conflict back from WW3, and credit must be given where it is due.

IAEA had already lost credibility long before this.... So many of our institutions are weak, woke, jokes! Trump is exposing them for what they already were.

 

[MemeFan]

How many abortions in Ukraine since 1990? Over 10 million babies murdered. And no - this isn’t the boogey man - the far left we are talking about here - these are Christians - because Ukraine is a majority orthodox nation. Over 10 million abortions - and some years - there were more abortions than births. It’s a death cult. I’m not lying:

Historical abortion statistics, Ukraine

Those are only reported abortions. Who knows how many more were done in secret.

Since they are Christian - they can’t claim ignorance for murder. Where were the men? Why are the women in charge? Why did men give up their authority to women? Why are men submitting to the women’s will?

You reap what you sow. Creator says - choose life or death. If you are persecuted for righteousness sake - like the early church was in the 1st century - then there is a promise of blessing. But as Peter writes - if you’re persecuted for un-righteousness - there is zero promise of blessing:

1 Peter 2:18
18 You who are slaves must submit to your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you—not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel. (1 Peter 3:1 - In the same way, you wives must accept the authority of your husbands).

1 Peter 2:19
19 For God is pleased when, conscious of his will, you patiently endure unjust treatment. 20 Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you suffer for doing good and endure it patiently, God is pleased with you.

Maybe the Apostle Peter was a bit of an extremist as well - instructing Christian wives to submit to their husbands - even if they are cruel. (Angel of the LORD told Hagar to go back and submit when she was being treated unfairly. So scripture is indeed consistent). Lord Jesus Christ was obedient even to the death - like a lamb to the slaughter. “Not my will - but your will be done.”

This is a perverted generation, because they come up with excuses to act in rebellion/perversion; instead of displaying faith through obedience and submission.

And how much are church going Christians? And how much are practicing Christians? I'm certain many here would only count Torah obedient Christians.

So we can cut numbers by at least third.

It so funny to read your text blaiming Christians while political system under globalist control does everything not to offer Christian option. In most cases till recent populist rebellion real options were 1. globalism hard and fast and 2. globalism hard and slow

I agree with Aristotle. Elections are oligarchic system since only rich can afford election campaigns.

So unless you think Christians should have started civil war, your accusation would be true.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

And how much are church going Christians? And how much are practicing Christians? I'm certain many here would only count Torah obedient Christians.

So we can numbers by at least third.

It so funny to read your text blaiming Christians while political system under globalist control does everything not to offer Christian option. In most cases till recent populist rebellion real options were 1. globalism hard and fast and 2. globalism hard and slow

I agree with Aristotle. Elections are oligarchic system since only rich can afford election campaigns.

So unless you think Christians should have started civil war, your accusation would be true.

There are times when men SHOULD start a civil war, Christians or not!

 

[OttoM]

Poland is place of refuge because they are closest to Ukraine and big enough to absorb Ukrainians.

If tgere was any justice for abortion US population would too dying as Ukrainians by same logic.

So it can't be so simple. You are looking just as single variable where Lord certainly doesn't use it.

Regardless of the proximity - it’s sweet justice their neighbor does not allow the death cult to continue.

Regarding the USA - if there isn’t a country wide repentance - it too will be destroyed:

Genesis 15:16
……for the sins of the Amorites do not yet warrant their destruction.

The Creator does not show favorites. It’s only by grace that the USA has not yet been destroyed. But that doesn’t mean it won’t happen (unless repentance).

The unique thing about the USA are the 50 states. So someone has more options to move to a more righteous town versus staying somewhere wicked. I wouldn’t live in NYC or LA even if everything is 100% free. It would be like Lot living in Sodom:

2 Peter 2:8
Yes, Lot was a righteous man who was tormented in his soul by the wickedness he saw and heard day after day.

 

[MemeFan]

Regardless of the proximity - it’s sweet justice their neighbor does not allow the death cult to continue.

Regarding the USA - if there isn’t a country wide repentance - it too will be destroyed:

Genesis 15:16
……for the sins of the Amorites do not yet warrant their destruction.

The Creator does not show favorites. It’s only by grace that the USA has not yet been destroyed. But that doesn’t mean it won’t happen (unless repentance).

The unique thing about the USA are the 50 states. So someone has more options to move to a more righteous town versus staying somewhere wicked. I wouldn’t live in NYC or LA even if everything is 100% free. It would be like Lot living in Sodom:

2 Peter 2:8
Yes, Lot was a righteous man who was tormented in his soul by the wickedness he saw and heard day after day.

Maybe US is being destroyed, just not in way you are thinking.

Also, maybe Poland should also stop their contribution of fighting Russians till last Ukrainian. Death toll in that must be greater than abortion number.

 

[MemeFan]

There are times when men SHOULD start a civil war, Christians or not!

I didn't know you so much like prison time.

First, it's highly unlikely anyone will join you, so you will finish as regular terrorist.

Second, there is option of separation, so maybe that should be tried too.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

I didn't know you so much like prison time.

First, it's highly unlikely anyone will join you, so you will finish as regular terrorist.

Second, there is option of separation, so maybe that should be tried too.

“Responding to the Lee Resolution, Congress appointed a “Committee of Five” to draft a declaration of American independence. Written by Thomas Jefferson, lightly edited by John Adams and Benjamin Franklin, and revised by the Congress, the delegates adopted the Declaration of Independence on 4 July 1776. Declaring independence was no small matter. By doing so and by signing the document, these men publicly stepped forward into the unknown. They risked all, including their lives, reputations, and fortunes.”

quotation from - https://www.quora.com/When-signing-...ed-honor-resonate-with-todays-politicians-and


When the action is justified, you may have to sacrifice everything you have including your life, reputation, freedom and fortune..... And it still be worth it!

 

[MemeFan]

“Responding to the Lee Resolution, Congress appointed a “Committee of Five” to draft a declaration of American independence. Written by Thomas Jefferson, lightly edited by John Adams and Benjamin Franklin, and revised by the Congress, the delegates adopted the Declaration of Independence on 4 July 1776. Declaring independence was no small matter. By doing so and by signing the document, these men publicly stepped forward into the unknown. They risked all, including their lives, reputations, and fortunes.”

quotation from - https://www.quora.com/When-signing-...ed-honor-resonate-with-todays-politicians-and


When the action is justified, you may have to sacrifice everything you have including your life, reputation, freedom and fortune..... And it still be worth it!

Difference is that US founding fathers had very big company willing to wage war, while you in current situation would have practically nobody except guys paid by Soros and maybe China which makes you terrorist, not a army.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Difference is that US founding fathers had very big company willing to wage war, while you in current situation would have practically nobody except guys paid by Soros and maybe China which makes you terrorist, not a army.

Who knows if you are right or not. I have not yet declared war! I may instantly have 3 million surge to serve with me.
If not, then perhaps it is not yet the right time to fight. You have to choose the time, not just the location and the weapons.

But, relax.... I am tired tonight so, any huge announcements will have to wait until another day.

 

[Mark C]

Difference is that US founding fathers had very big company willing to wage war...

Wrong, VERY wrong.

The colonies in 1776 were an example of the '80/20' rule, to the extent that 80% of the colonists were neither Tory (loyalists to the Crown) or Patriot. Historians estimate about 10% of the populace in each of those two camps; roughly equally divided (with regional differences, of course.)

But most American Patriots now know this:

Only about 1/3 of those Patriots actually ever took up arms. I.e., about 3%. AND THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

(The late Mike Vanderbough formed a national movement known as the Three Percenters for that very reason.)

Maybe US is being destroyed, just not in way you are thinking.

The real test of Trump's leadership and control skills will, sadly, not just be peace in the mideast and Ukraine fronts of WW3, but whether he can manage to get the US cleansed of military invaders without major and massive terror events ON US SOIL from O'Biden's Embedded Terror Cells in the near term. Stay alert this weekend, obviously.

 

[MemeFan]

Wrong, VERY wrong.

The colonies in 1776 were an example of the '80/20' rule, to the extent that 80% of the colonists were neither Tory (loyalists to the Crown) or Patriot. Historians estimate about 10% of the populace in each of those two camps; roughly equally divided (with regional differences, of course.)

But most American Patriots now know this:

Only about 1/3 of those Patriots actually ever took up arms. I.e., about 3%. AND THAT MADE ALL THE DIFFERENCE.

(The late Mike Vanderbough formed a national movement known as the Three Percenters for that very reason.)

I was speaking about absolute number, not population percentage.

Reality is that founders could and did motivate what today would be division (at least 10k men as "light", "normal 20k), while @Man_in_the_Middle couldn't get squad (dozen). I would be shocked if he even gets fireteam of 4.

There is no chance of civil war in USA because it assumes both sides want fulll control of USA territory and sufficient organization. Sufficient organization is lacking.

Reality is civil war in USA territory would require at least army group (several 100k till 1M) for start. Only federales have required numbers and rest of organization (equipment, logistics etc...m).

Also, no matter how crazy LA mayor is, LAPD can't match national guard, nevermind US army. Best he/she can do is start some local insurrection. There is no civil war unless US army splits itself.

What is real risk is social unrest. When people start killing neighbors due to political differences.
I remember posting story about florida man throwing alligators into backyard of recently arrived cali commie girl during night. We could try to kill her by opening door for alligator.

Read Zerohedge article how Seattle antifa is surrounding "undesirables" to block movement and to puah them in chosen direction. If blocked "undesirable" tries to force opening to leave, it's assault. Imagine antifa beating to death "undesirable". That's real risk.

The real test of Trump's leadership and control skills will, sadly, not just be peace in the mideast and Ukraine fronts of WW3, but whether he can manage to get the US cleansed of military invaders without major and massive terror events ON US SOIL from O'Biden's Embedded Terror Cells in the near term. Stay alert this weekend, obviously.

Context is Lord's judgement. Trump is useless here. At best he could frustrate one method of His judgement.

 

[Mark C]

There is no civil war unless US army splits itself.

That's been done since the Obama Regime.

 

[Mark C]

The real test of Trump's leadership and control skills will, sadly, not just be peace in the mideast and Ukraine fronts of WW3, but whether he can manage to get the US cleansed of military invaders without major and massive terror events ON US SOIL from O'Biden's Embedded Terror Cells in the near term. Stay alert this weekend, obviously.

What actually happened was, I contend, even worse than a bunch of embedded terror cells being activated:

Only days after the biggest smoking gun revelation of outright treason in this term (Obama, Clapper, Comey, Brennan) some idiot allows a leak (or worse, Trump "put on the Ring of Mordor") and the credibility of any and every overdue prosecution of traitors gets 86'd.

This is the worst debacle that Trump could have been blindsided by. Or, again, worse...

 

[Mark C]

PS> The odds favoring outright civil war just doubled.

 

[Mark C]

And for those who missed it:

Summary of the sham:

FBI Concludes Jeffrey Epstein Had No Clients, Didn't Blackmail Anyone, And Definitely Killed Himself | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

More literally unbelievable incompetence:

BOMBSHELL! DOJ Caught Cutting 60 Seconds from Newly Released Epstein 10 Hour Jail Cell Tape! What's Going On? | The Gateway Pundit | by Jason Sullivan

On Sunday night AXIOS reported on a new FBI, DOJ memo obtained by Axios concludes Jeffrey Epstein did not have a client list that he used for blackmail.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

And the intended fallout, as the left see it:

Fury at missing Epstein list as calls mount for Pam Bondi to resign

A growing number of right-wing voices are calling for the resignation of Attorney General Pam Bondi after it was revealed no more arrests will be made in connection to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[MemeFan]

And for those who missed it:

Summary of the sham:

FBI Concludes Jeffrey Epstein Had No Clients, Didn't Blackmail Anyone, And Definitely Killed Himself | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

More literally unbelievable incompetence:

BOMBSHELL! DOJ Caught Cutting 60 Seconds from Newly Released Epstein 10 Hour Jail Cell Tape! What's Going On? | The Gateway Pundit | by Jason Sullivan

On Sunday night AXIOS reported on a new FBI, DOJ memo obtained by Axios concludes Jeffrey Epstein did not have a client list that he used for blackmail.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

And the intended fallout, as the left see it:

Fury at missing Epstein list as calls mount for Pam Bondi to resign

A growing number of right-wing voices are calling for the resignation of Attorney General Pam Bondi after it was revealed no more arrests will be made in connection to Jeffrey Epstein's crimes.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Remains to be seen. It's highly likely FBI doesn't have much evidence for real.

If Epstein was in blackmail business and he cooperated for foreign intelligence service, blackmail material would be at foreign intelligence service location.

 

[Mark C]

We know that the Federal Bunglers helped Hitlery 86 a bunch of evidence on her drop-box email server. So it's nothing new, just "in yer face."

 

[MemeFan]

That's been done since the Obama Regime.

Care to explain? I don't get reference.

 

[Mojo]

We know that the Federal Bunglers helped Hitlery 86 a bunch of evidence on her drop-box email server. So it's nothing new, just "in yer face."

Epstein Information likely at the bottom of ocean (figuratively) never to be retrieved or so sensitive in its blackmailing that it included heavy, heavy hitters still in high places. It could disrupt the very fabric and organization of systems…perhaps even pinpointed at 45/47.

No inside info. Just speculation.

 

[Man_in_the_Middle]

Looks to me like it has to be that Epstein was backed by the CIA / Mossad or something. Why else keep it a secret? If there was bad news in it for Republicans then it would have been leaked while Biden was in office... So, the cover-up seems real. The reason is not yet determined...