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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!
- Thread starter Man_in_the_Middle
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I never said it was evil. Just that it existed, as Zec hadn't accounted for it.
Find land penetration of bunker buster, double/triple just in case, put that deep into ground.
Should be safe.
Hyper sonic missiles were sold as a game changing super weapon. Not even the Russians or the Iranians are claiming they’ve done any damage with them. I’m going to need to see some proof that they’re effective at this point.
And frankly, how could they be? Iran was able to credibly claim to have them and they were still flying their two remaining F-14 Tomcats, those are 50 year old planes and they couldn’t keep them flying except by cannibalizing the other 4 they were given before the revolution.
The idea that they couldn’t manufacture parts for antique aircrafts but that they could build an advanced super weapon seems ludicrous in retrospect.
Iran is not releasing much detail of their operational tactics, but some analysts believe the missiles being shot down by Israel are the older normal ballistics, which are being used as sacrificial decoys, while the ones getting through and hitting the most important targets are the newer "hypersonics" (whether or not they truly merit that label). But that is based on very little data - a few videos of strikes and a lot of assumptions. We just don't know, both sides are being very tight lipped for obvious reasons. We won't see any proof of anything at this stage. These things will only be revealed much later.
But the interception rate, which started at 90%, is down to 65% and falling. So either Iran's technology is working or Israel's is failing. Probably a bit of both.
But the interception rate, which started at 90%, is down to 65% and falling. So either Iran's technology is working or Israel's is failing. Probably a bit of both.
Yeah, I’m more than a little shocked.
Kinda holding my breath.
Cautiously optimistic.
They could be stalling for time, but that’s a dangerous proposition for them. They’ve run out of enthusiastic friends and the Arabs in the region don’t really like them. The US could really do them lasting damage if they go back on this deal.
Let’s pray it lasts.
Political pressure could be overwhelming for Iran. Not just US and Arabs. China too. Don't forget, China does depend on Gulf oil so any threat of closing Hormuz strait will raise Chinese leadership blood pressure.
And why would Russia save disliked by everybody regime? Putin can play good cop leaving Trump to play bad coop. Russia help could have price.
I must say I underestimated Trump. His actions have been part of a very carefully choreographed plan that was designed to end the war and bring peace.
The US attack was clearly communicated to Iran beforehand to some degree, and was carefully scaled - just big enough for the US and Israel to claim great success, just small enough for Iran to claim it failed.
Iran's response was clearly communicated beforehand, and sized just large enough so Iran could claim they had responded proportionately, but just ineffective enough so the USA could claim it was pathetic and didn't need a response.
This was all very carefully designed as Trump's gift to Israel and Iran - giving them both a narrative they could use to claim victory and stop fighting.
The only way to stop such a war in progress without going to the full defeat of one side is to allow both to claim victory to their domestic audiences. It's a really difficult thing to achieve in a complex situation like this, I saw no way of doing it, but the Trump administration found one. Hats off to them.
If Israel throws this away and insists on keeping fighting (by framing Iran's last strike on them as a ceasefire breach instead of as the end of hostilities), Trump will be rightly pissed off. He didn't spend untold millions of dollars giving them an off-ramp from the conflict for it to just be thrown away.
I am more hopeful today that at least the US administration is serious about peace.
The US attack was clearly communicated to Iran beforehand to some degree, and was carefully scaled - just big enough for the US and Israel to claim great success, just small enough for Iran to claim it failed.
Iran's response was clearly communicated beforehand, and sized just large enough so Iran could claim they had responded proportionately, but just ineffective enough so the USA could claim it was pathetic and didn't need a response.
This was all very carefully designed as Trump's gift to Israel and Iran - giving them both a narrative they could use to claim victory and stop fighting.
The only way to stop such a war in progress without going to the full defeat of one side is to allow both to claim victory to their domestic audiences. It's a really difficult thing to achieve in a complex situation like this, I saw no way of doing it, but the Trump administration found one. Hats off to them.
If Israel throws this away and insists on keeping fighting (by framing Iran's last strike on them as a ceasefire breach instead of as the end of hostilities), Trump will be rightly pissed off. He didn't spend untold millions of dollars giving them an off-ramp from the conflict for it to just be thrown away.
I am more hopeful today that at least the US administration is serious about peace.
Man_in_the_Middle
Seasoned Member
I am impressed that you are willing to give some credit to Trump.
I personally expect some period of time, greater than a year in which we will begin to see more and more peace.
It will be broken in a spectacular way with violence everywhere in the end. But, should be a good 12 to 24 months until then...
Peacemaker aren't problem.I am impressed that you are willing to give some credit to Trump.
I personally expect some period of time, greater than a year in which we will begin to see more and more peace.
It will be broken in a spectacular way with violence everywhere in the end. But, should be a good 12 to 24 months until then...
It's warmongers. And we have them too much and in positions of great power.
Why? I've never been "anti-Trump". Would have voted for him if I was an American.
I disagree with his conduct surrounding the start of this conflict, as stated earlier. I am impressed with his conduct around ending it.
The issues I identified earlier regarding reputational damage to the US negotiating position are still completely true. And I now realize it's even more serious, as the IAEA has also lost credibility through this. Iran will never cooperate with them again, and over time other countries may stop also. So much damage has been done to the fundamental institutions and diplomatic conventions that peace is based on, and the world is more dangerous as a result.
But Trump did manage to walk this conflict back from WW3, and credit must be given where it is due.
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You reap what you sow. It's a spiritual battle - not flesh and bone. Young people are warmongers when they act in rebellion against their Lord and Savior they claim to love. If they love death so much - then death is what they'll receive unless they repent and turn to the Most High - with whom they are sinning against.
Sad, but likely true.
Surreal take, easily winning WTF category in all my years here.
So populace totally not willing to die for Ukraine and global elite is warmorgering against Lord. WTF? Besides West is today only culturally Christian somewhat, certainly not practically.
So progressive globalistic elite creates policies which destroy West which causes populace to hate and wants to remove them which causes progressive globalistic elite to start war to stay in power and remove dissedents and somehow Lord loving populace (let's say 5% of populace) is guilty of warmongering? WTF?
Did we forget that mandatory schooling is law in most Western states? Which means progressive ideology is stuffed into children and these children are guilty? Only for not asking questions when growing up.
How many abortions in Ukraine since 1990? Over 10 million babies murdered. And no - this isn’t the boogey man - the far left we are talking about here - these are Christians - because Ukraine is a majority orthodox nation. Over 10 million abortions - and some years - there were more abortions than births. It’s a death cult. I’m not lying:
Those are only reported abortions. Who knows how many more were done in secret.
Since they are Christian - they can’t claim ignorance for murder. Where were the men? Why are the women in charge? Why did men give up their authority to women? Why are men submitting to the women’s will?
You reap what you sow. Creator says - choose life or death. If you are persecuted for righteousness sake - like the early church was in the 1st century - then there is a promise of blessing. But as Peter writes - if you’re persecuted for un-righteousness - there is zero promise of blessing:
1 Peter 2:18
18 You who are slaves must submit to your masters with all respect. Do what they tell you—not only if they are kind and reasonable, but even if they are cruel. (1 Peter 3:1 - In the same way, you wives must accept the authority of your husbands).
1 Peter 2:19
19 For God is pleased when, conscious of his will, you patiently endure unjust treatment. 20 Of course, you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you suffer for doing good and endure it patiently, God is pleased with you.
Maybe the Apostle Peter was a bit of an extremist as well - instructing Christian wives to submit to their husbands - even if they are cruel. (Angel of the LORD told Hagar to go back and submit when she was being treated unfairly. So scripture is indeed consistent). Lord Jesus Christ was obedient even to the death - like a lamb to the slaughter. “Not my will - but your will be done.”
This is a perverted generation, because they come up with excuses to act in rebellion/perversion; instead of displaying faith through obedience and submission.
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Just want to add - the country of Ukraine - which btw is a death cult - their country of refugee during this Russia/Ukraine war is Poland……
And here’s the kicker - in Poland - abortion is pretty much forbidden. It’s illegal. They are one of the most restrictive in Europe.
And of course the refugees from this death cult are complaining - they can’t murder any more babies:
‘Declare it to a doctor, and it’s over’: Ukrainian women face harsh reality of Poland’s abortion laws
Women turn to aid groups for help, with many unaware their rights to reproductive healthcare have vanished upon crossing the border
www.theguardian.com
An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. Foot for foot. Hand for hand.
Deut 16:20
Let true justice prevail, so you may live and occupy the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
So it’s a promise - if you wish to have peace and prosperity - there must be true justice in the land.
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Poland is place of refuge because they are closest to Ukraine and big enough to absorb Ukrainians.Just want to add - the country of Ukraine - which btw is a death cult - their country of refugee during this Russia/Ukraine war is Poland……
And here’s the kicker - in Poland - abortion is pretty much forbidden. It’s illegal. They are one of the most restrictive in Europe.
And of course the refugees from this death cult are complaining - they can’t murder any more babies:
‘Declare it to a doctor, and it’s over’: Ukrainian women face harsh reality of Poland’s abortion laws
Women turn to aid groups for help, with many unaware their rights to reproductive healthcare have vanished upon crossing the border
An eye for an eye. A tooth for a tooth. Foot for foot. Hand for hand.
Deut 16:20
Let true justice prevail, so you may live and occupy the land that the Lord your God is giving you.
Where was the justice for those millions of babies? Where were the men that gave them their seed?
No justice? Fine - Ukrainian men are now dying by the sword. The women are being raped by the Russians. Then kicked out of the land to Poland - where they do not allow abortions.
If there was any justice for abortion US population would too dying as Ukrainians by same logic.
So it can't be so simple. You are looking just as single variable where Lord certainly doesn't use it.
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