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How the left is unreliable in our endeavors

Jeff Ray said:
We could try to get our act together as a movement and follow their example, organizing and pressing ahead with some kind of plan
rockfox said:
what example is that?
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Exactly what you quoted: organizing and pressing ahead with some kind of plan.

This has nothing to do with SSM, by the way; don't be distracted by that. Substitute the struggle to decriminalize interracial marriage if that makes it more palatable for you. Or the civil rights struggles; Rosa Parks' lawsuit was planned, it didn't just happen.

I know many people are doing what they can, making sure pro-PM is represented in comments sections, or writing responses to anti-PM websites. And this very forum represents a big step toward organizing.

But it feels like the time is right to be moving forward, and I find that frustrating.
 
Jeff Ray said:
Exactly what you quoted: organizing and pressing ahead with some kind of plan.

This has nothing to do with SSM, by the way; don't be distracted by that. Substitute the struggle to decriminalize interracial marriage if that makes it more palatable for you. Or the civil rights struggles; Rosa Parks' lawsuit was planned, it didn't just happen.

I know many people are doing what they can, making sure pro-PM is represented in comments sections, or writing responses to anti-PM websites. And this very forum represents a big step toward organizing.

But it feels like the time is right to be moving forward, and I find that frustrating.
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They accomplished those things because they controlled the media and the law schools. We don't.

Although we can capture some of that power through the use of memes.

Cap said:
Christianity, plural or not is becoming the enemy. The alternate lifestyle people tolerate our ideas of plural marriage as long as it benefits them. Soon it won't.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/brit...ble-belief-is-incompatible-with-human-dignity
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How disturbing...

On Tuesday, a British court ruled that belief in the Bible was “incompatible with human dignity.”
That statement came in a case involving Dr. David Mackereth, a devout Christian who had worked as an emergency doctor for the National Health Service for 26 years. He said he was fired from his job because he refused to call a biological man a woman. The court’s ruling stated: “Belief in Genesis 1:27, lack of belief in transgenderism and conscientious objection to transgenderism in our judgment are incompatible with human dignity and conflict with the fundamental rights of others, specifically here, transgender individuals.” The court added. “… in so far as those beliefs form part of his wider faith, his wider faith also does not satisfy the requirement of being worthy of respect in a democratic society, not incompatible with human dignity and not in conflict with the fundamental rights of others.”
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"conscientious objection to transgenderism in our judgment are incompatible with human dignity and conflict with the fundamental rights of others"

You will be forced to you their preferred pronouns whether you like it or not.
 
rockfox said:
They accomplished those things because they controlled the media and the law schools. We don't.

Although we can capture some of that power through the use of memes.



How disturbing...



"conscientious objection to transgenderism in our judgment are incompatible with human dignity and conflict with the fundamental rights of others"

You will be forced to you their preferred pronouns whether you like it or not.
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I did think what that doctor should have done is say, fine you want me to call him a her, then I will also say she needs a Hysterectomy because there is something seriously wrong with her reproductive organs. And from that point on, if a patient identifies as the opposite sex treat them medically that way.
 
Cap said:
I did think what that doctor should have done is say, fine you want me to call him a her, then I will also say she needs a Hysterectomy because there is something seriously wrong with her reproductive organs. And from that point on, if a patient identifies as the opposite sex treat them medically that way.
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The appropriate medical treatment is referral to a psychologist.
 
rockfox said:
The appropriate medical treatment is referral to a psychologist.
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It's obvious that recommendation backfires now days.

I'm actually starting to think that it should be a state requirement that if someone is serious about changing gender socially they should be forced to change it physically. See how far that goes.
 
Cap said:
It's obvious that recommendation backfires now days.
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Sadly yes.

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What I find really sad is that this whole thing is becoming nothing but a joke. The president of the United States is being impeached and it's all a social media joke. There is no hope left. We must be at the end.
 
Cap said:
What I find really sad is that this whole thing is becoming nothing but a joke. The president of the United States is being impeached and it's all a social media joke. There is no hope left. We must be at the end.
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Humor is our last redoubt. Humor can be a powerful weapon, cutting through the propaganda of the enemy.

But ya, our civilization is at it's end. Or at least the current order is. From here there are only two paths: we fight or we die. Literally.
 
rockfox said:
Humor is our last redoubt. Humor can be a powerful weapon, cutting through the propaganda of the enemy.
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Which is why humour itself is being banned. All jokes that are truly funny make fun of someone in some way, usually through stereotypes. All such joking is being made unacceptable, which makes even attempting to use this "last redoubt" a punishable offense.
 
rockfox said:
Humor is our last redoubt. Humor can be a powerful weapon, cutting through the propaganda of the enemy.

But ya, our civilization is at it's end. Or at least the current order is. From here there are only two paths: we fight or we die. Literally.
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So maybe instead of trying to control the courts, we should try to curry favor with the military. We did come close on the courts though. If only the Appelate court had ruled favorably on the Utah ruling, it would have surely made its way to the USSC.
 
I am of the persuasion that we need to target some big names in Christian circles. They can kick a pastor here and there out of his pulpit, without making too many headlines, but they won't be able to ignore when a well known minister acknowledges the truth. Win over a large chunk of the church, and you will have much more powerful allies.
 
Daniel DeLuca said:
I am of the persuasion that we need to target some big names in Christian circles. They can kick a pastor here and there out of his pulpit, without making too many headlines, but they won't be able to ignore when a well known minister acknowledges the truth. Win over a large chunk of the church, and you will have much more powerful allies.
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It will never happen. They are all cucked. What is important to them is accolades and book sales.
 
rockfox said:
It will never happen. They are all cucked. What is important to them is accolades and book sales.
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It will never happen if you never try. It's like sales. You never know when the person you are speaking to is open to buying what you are selling.

EDIT: For some of you that have tried, as I have, this doesn't apply, but I won't stop trying.
 
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The only benefit the PM crowd is apt to derive from the SSM/alternative lifestyles/polyamory crowd is that with everyone's over saturation and subsequent disinterest (beyond a creepy salacious voyeurism) in the structure of non nuclear families is that we are lost in the mix. The unfortunate thing is that the new leftist Puritanism not only despises the patriarchal paradigm of a traditional male led monogamous family but the hyper patriarchal nature of polygyny will cause them to go right round the twist. So the disgenic, mentally ill spiteful mutants are very much are not any sort of allies to polygynous advocates. In fact I would wager that wholesome and healthy plural families would far sooner be under extreme scrutiny and probable persecution from child protective services than for example the lunatic woman who is the mother of "Amazing Desmond" a young drag queen child that dances sexually in front of crowds of gay men for money. Because that sort of thing is clearly far better than the love and support of more than one mom. If you want more than one mother then there had better be no father or the moms had better be part of a long string of serial failed monogamous relationships that last just lomg enough to crush the child all the more when it splits up.

Anyway... the best I think we have to look forward to is making our own legal arrangements ie family trusts and the like while keeping our heads down and cultivating our own community. Maybe we will be less interesting to Joe and Jane public because of the plig tv shows have shown us to be moderately harmless bumpkins apparently as opposed to necessarily living in compounds and abusing children. Seems like a net positive but make no mistake there will be those of the new left who will see us as the absolute worst and who will wish to revive witch trials because of our evil hyper patriarchal notions... unless of course you tell them you are Muslim, they are safe and even lauded for the most extreme examples of patriarchal behavior.
 
Daniel DeLuca said:
I am of the persuasion that we need to target some big names in Christian circles. They can kick a pastor here and there out of his pulpit, without making too many headlines, but they won't be able to ignore when a well known minister acknowledges the truth. Win over a large chunk of the church, and you will have much more powerful allies.
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Cap said:
The remanent will always be the remanent. I'm not exactly sure God is after big names to promote His cause.
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God mostly calls the nobodies of this world and is building His kingdom His way. I'm grateful I'm a nobody.
1 Cor. 1:26-29, For you see your calling, brethren, that not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called. But God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to put to shame the things which are mighty; and the base things of the world and the things which are despised God has chosen, and the things which are not, to bring to nothing the things that are, that no flesh should glory in His presence.
 
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steve said:
Time and resources are precious.
Invest them wisely.
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We most definitely need wisdom. Investing our time wisely, I would think would entail securing a platform. Social Media is great for getting our message out, but it consumes a lot of our time when we have to constantly debate one challenger after another, with endless arguments that they won't even listen to. Talk about getting bogged down! Unfortunately, we in a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation though. Proverbs talks about mot answering a fool according to his foolishness, and then turns around and tells us that we should indeed answer them. Most of us have regular jobs, and aren't paid to be social media advocates. That in and of itself, is a full-time job. Ideally, we need to have more public debates on a much larger stage, so both sides can be evaluated. I listened to this debate and I was intrigued to hear a questioner tell Roberts that she was disappointed that he was unable to present an argument against polygamy.


If only such a debate could be held in a mainstream church....

I am of the belief that there is an opportunity to reach out to "disgraced" ministers, that we are not taking advantage of. I sat down with my worship pastor, and had a discussion with him about polygamy, and he told me that he had been reaching out to Todd Bell, and that Dr. Bell was not returning his calls. Imagine if such disgraced ministers were returning calls from Christian leaders, and were able to get into their ear. Imagine if some of these so-called "disgraced" ministers, were on our side, and were willing to return those calls!
 
It is my opinion at this point that polygamy will not ever be culturally accepted because a disgraced minister validated the position. Not even their validation will make it Corporately accepted in so called Christian circles

The ROI from these investments will be so negligible as to be nonexistent IRL.

Only when people are willing and determined to calmly and cooly stand up for their right to live life as they decide will that have some sort of measurable impact in the culture.

Only once culture accepts it will any kind of mainstream Christianity accept it as legitimate.

In case you missed it, Christianity does not drive cultural norms today, it assimilates them.
 
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