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Do governments have the moral authority to prohibit polygamy?

Joleneakamama said:
The short version....the council at trent is when religous wannabe government (the church at Rome) took for themselves authority over marriage. Civil governments followed suit. The laws against interracial marriage was why licenses first were a thing in the states...permission to do that which would otherwise be illegal.
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The idea of a mariage license is an abomination. It is permission to do something wrong which is otherwise prohibited. Marriage is a good thing. It is established by God. Men and women have a fundamental and inalienable right to marry.

Of course this right only extends to marriage as defined by the Creator. It cannot be homosexual. A woman cannot be married to more than one man at a time, etc.
 
Bartato said:
I can see the government enforcing the marital regulations that God established.

The government could punish adultery.
The government could punish homosexuality.

The government punishes other Biblically defined crimes, such as theft and murder.
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In theory, they could, but instead they subsidize and mandate and teach things He calls abomination (homosexuality, 'cross-dressing', ;) and adultery.)

And they only punish murder and theft if somebody they don't like does 'em. They're fine doing it themselves, of course.
 
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Organisation which by it's very nature is based on evil doesn't have right to exists. Simple as that.

Regarding governimg authorities, there must be way for society to beat thiefs, murderers and similar people. Old Testament has way of dealing of this problem without government inconvenience.
 
Bartato said:
Others, including our American founding fathers, and their predecessors in the Protestant Resistance tradition (Witherspoon, Lex Rex, Doctrine of the Lesser Magistrate etc) interpret it very differently.
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I stand with the dead white guys. ;)
 
Why did the pharaoh order the baby boys to be thrown into the Nile river? The Israelites were being way too fruitful, and posed a future threat to their Egyptian empire.

The empires of the world have adapted. How so? Making it illegal. Also, through social engineering. So if someone dares to even consider such a thing then the social engineering concludes they are Islamic or in a weird cult. Also, they found a way to keep the majority of the churches quiet (501 c3), and they've infiltrated the Bible colleges by forcing students to read a bias commentary against polygyny.

Another way - keep the people poor through excessive taxation. And destroy their health by introducing bio engineered foods, vaccines, and even introducing toxins into the air and water.

These governments are okay with homosexuality. They are okay with night clubs and widespread fornication. They are okay with no fault divorce. They are okay with abortion, drugs, and extreme taxation. So polygyny is not about "moral compass." It's about the empires of the world holding onto their power and control over their debt slaves.
 
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OttoM said:
Why did the pharaoh order the baby boys to be thrown into the Nile river? The Israelites were being way too fruitful, and could pose a future threat to the empire.

The empires of the world have adapted. How so? Making it illegal. Also, through social engineering. So if someone dares to even consider such a thing then the social engineering concludes they are Islamic or in a weird cult. Finally, find a way to keep the majority of the churches quiet (501 c3), and infiltrate the Bible colleges by forcing students to read a bias commentary against polygyny.

Another way - keep the people poor through excessive taxation. And destroy their health by introducing bio engineered foods, vaccines, and even introducing toxins into the air and water.

These governments are okay with homosexuality. They are okay with night clubs and widespread fornication. They are okay with no fault divorce. They are okay with abortion, drugs, and extreme taxation. So polygyny is not about "moral compass." It's about the empires of the world holding onto their power and control over their debt slaves.
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Don't forget pornography. It is one of their most effective weapons for reducing human reproduction.
 
While I agree with the sentiment that marriage and family planning is not a government concern, I can see where it could play a guardian role in protecting the vulnerable from marriages that they (vulnerable) can’t reasonably consent to.

I’m think the young and mentally challenged.
 
Mojo said:
While I agree with the sentiment that marriage and family planning is not a government concern, I can see where it could play a guardian role in protecting the vulnerable from marriages that they (vulnerable) can’t reasonably consent to.

I’m think the young and mentally challenged.
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Because the state or some paid social worker cares more for the young and mentally challenged?

I saw a headline a few years ago. It said some 450 children had "gone missing" and were unnacounted for in, I think, Indiana. These were all in state cutody and NO ONE was looking for them.

The state is really good for nothing. Communities of believers caring about what happens around them AND MAKING SURE HIS JUSTICE IS SERVED is the only sustainable and AUTHORIZED form of government.
Because social workers, law enforcement, judges, and ANYONE ELSE WHO IMAGINES HE HAS MORE POWER THAN HIS NEIGHBOR are all corruptible.

One nation under God. One Law. All responsible to Him.

This other thing is a man made Frankenstein.
 
Mojo said:
While I agree with the sentiment that marriage and family planning is not a government concern, I can see where it could play a guardian role in protecting the vulnerable from marriages that they (vulnerable) can’t reasonably consent to.

I’m think the young and mentally challenged.
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Their family is already existing institution more interested in their wellbeing than any state agency.
 
Joleneakamama said:
Because the state or some paid social worker cares more for the young and mentally challenged?

I saw a headline a few years ago. It said some 450 children had "gone missing" and were unnacounted for in, I think, Indiana. These were all in state cutody and NO ONE was looking for them.

The state is really good for nothing. Communities of believers caring about what happens around them AND MAKING SURE HIS JUSTICE IS SERVED is the only sustainable and AUTHORIZED form of government.
Because social workers, law enforcement, judges, and ANYONE ELSE WHO IMAGINES HE HAS MORE POWER THAN HIS NEIGHBOR are all corruptible.

One nation under God. One Law. All responsible to Him.

This other thing is a man made Frankenstein.
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While I sympathize with the libertarian sentiments, I can’t understand how a society or community could stand by and watch a 7 year old or a Down syndrome teen be married off against their will or better safety.

At some point, somebody would need to step in. Laws to protect the innocent are biblical and justifiable.
 
MemeFan said:
Their family is already existing institution more interested in their wellbeing than any state agency.
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Not all families are created equal, moral, or intelligent enough to see the destruction that could be caused to the innocent in their own family. As a parent, I could not justify allowing a prepubescent child to be married off in polygyny or monogamy. Some things are off limits and sacred enough to pass laws against.
 
Not all people have families who can take on that responsibility and so we have to take that into consideration.
 
ASyers41 said:
Not all people have families who can take on that responsibility and so we have to take that into consideration.
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Also, not all government officials will do the right thing either. I recall a girl whom the government would not allow the parent to feed via a feeding tube because of how they thought things should be. They starved her to death...

If it is a call between parents and government, I choose parents.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
Also, not all government officials will do the right thing either. I recall a girl whom the government would not allow the parent to feed via a feeding tube because of how they thought things should be. They starved her to death...

If it is a call between parents and government, I choose parents.
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But the “government” in our system is “us”...a large collection of parents.
 
Man_in_the_Middle said:
I don't like to grant to the majority the rights of the individual!
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Nobody does. But the individual parent willing to marry off their young or mentally challenged child usurps the rights of that child. Society and governing are tricky.
 
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