First off I would like to point out that... 1 Corinthians 14:33 KJV For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
And if one is confused they need to make sure that they are not listening to the one who cast doubt or confusion. Genesis 3:1 KJV Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman,
Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
Please don’t be upset with me, I have not read every single comment. But what I have read, I am puzzled at how this thread has reached 3 pages. Because I really do believe the below passage is quite simple and speaks for itself. But I will admit, I am… Acts 4:13 KJV Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were
unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus.
But I definitely strive to get closer to the teachings of YaHWeH. And... Philippians 4:13 KJV I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
The Messiah YaHshua is the One who is helping me learn.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. (35) And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Here is something to think about, silence:
Strong's,
G4601 σιγάω sigaō
see-gah'-o
From G4602; to
keep silent (transitive or intransitive): - keep close (secret, silence), hold peace.
Thayer’s, G4601σιγάω sigaō
Thayer Definition: 1) to keep silence, hold one’s peace 2) to be kept in silence, be concealed
So according to this, a woman is to “keep close” meaning her mouth. “Hold peace” meaning she would like to say something, BUT she is to keep it to herself, she is also to keep her words “concealed”.
So where is a woman to “keep close”, hold her “peace” at?
In the “churches” or Strong’s
G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklēsia
ek-klay-see'-ah
From a compound of G1537 and a derivative of G2564; a
calling out, that is, (concretely) a popular
meeting, especially a religious
congregation (Jewish
synagogue, or Christian community of members on earth or saints in heaven or both): - assembly, church.
G1577 ἐκκλησία ekklēsia
Thayer Definition:
1) a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
1a) an assembly of the people convened at the public place of the council for the purpose of deliberating
1b) the assembly of the Israelites
1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously
1d) in a Christian sense
1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting
1d2) a company of Christian, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order’s sake
1d3) those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body
1d4) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth
1d5) the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven
So when you look at the Thayer’s definition it is basically a group of people, who come together to learn what the Holy Scriptures teach.
That is why it says women are not to speak, let’s take a look at that word…
Speak
G2980 λαλέω laleō
lal-eh'-o
A prolonged form of an otherwise obsolete verb; to
talk, that is,
utter words: - preach, say, speak (after), talk, tell, utter. Compare G3004.
And let’s not forget Thayer’s
G2980 λαλέω laleō
Thayer Definition:
1) to utter a voice or emit a sound
2) to speak
2a) to use the tongue or the faculty of speech
2b) to utter articulate sounds
3) to talk
4) to utter, tell
5) to use words in order to declare one’s mind and disclose one’s thoughts
5a) to speak
It is pretty self explanatory and I am not sure why everyone is having such an issue with what
@The Revolting Man is saying, maybe I should read all the post but from what I have read so far, I am just getting fancy and wordy with all these definitions when the Revolting Man says… “You still didn’t explain what 1 Corinthians14:34-35 meant when it said “It is not permitted to them to speak.” All of those words and you still ducked the main point. What does it mean that they’re not permitted to speak? "
Yes I am aware that I put this in another reply
James said: This concept also seems to be missing from the Torah as well. Why does Paul say this is as the law says though?
Edward says: Maybe in the book of Jasher, Enoch, or others, but there is Esther 1:20-22, Genesis 3:16, Numbers 30:3-13 Treasury of Scripture Knowledge.
This seems so self explanatory that I am going to just let Scripture speak for itself.
1 Corinthians 14:35 KJV And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
Just like there needs to be order in the courts, if one is speaking out of context, it is contempt of court. If a woman is speaking out of context in the church/assembly, it is a shame. It’s what the Bible says.
Esther 1:20-22, Genesis 3:16, Numbers 30:3-13