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Burning Question Part 2

Frankly thinking of only having an emotional state that ranged from plot points of "fine", "hungry" and "angry" is a horribly depressing thought to me.

I rather enjoy blissful, ecstatic, snarky, silly, chipper, sultry, curious, exultant, thoughtful, and a whole host of other emotional plot points. ;)

I think the takeaway here is unsurprisingly YMMV.

The love languages concept is obviously terrible and borderline heretical to some, and incredibly useful and beautiful to others. As with everything, it doesn't exist in a vacuum. Context and how it's used is important.
 
Staying congruent with the metaphor...are not God's people (wife) commanded to love the Lord thy God (husband) with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength?

<Please, forgive me, dear husband>
 
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As I re-read some of this thread this morning, and I went back to read the original question (funny how that gets lost sometimes), it made me think of a test we give new employees where I work. It is called The Predictive Index. It is often labeled a personality test, but that is far from accurate. Instead, it is more like the love languages. This tool allows us, as managers, to better understand the motivations and needs of our employees, and for those who understand how the tool works, it allows you to better meet the expectations of your superiors.

For example, if I have an employee that needs positive affirmation on the quality of their work, they aren't going to easily feel as if they are succeeding without it. By the same token, if my superior is a more verbal person, then I can better illustrate how my work is meeting his expectations with a more verbal presentation of the successes of my department. I can also better read his messages to me if I understand what motivates him. To be fair, this is a terrible explanation of The Predictive Index, and it makes it seem far more shallow than it is. I find it an incredibly useful tool for relating to and managing my staff and my relations with my superiors.

Again, going back to the original question, TLS2, I think it is important to know how TLS shows love naturally because that will help you see when TLS is showing you love. I also think it is not selfish in any way to tell your spouse that you appreciate those times of physical touch. If he isn't made aware of that, he may not know.

Yes, our eyes should first and foremost be on serving our God. And no, we shouldn't be seeking self satisfaction or gratification out of this world. However, that doesn't mean there is a prohibition on sharing our appreciation for specific ways of showing affection.
 
..Men, being somewhat rational creatures whose emotional range is firmly centered between angry, hungry and fine, need processes and concrete action plans they can institute to help them fulfill the command to love their wives...

However, the love languages do invite a woman to examine whether she is being loved correctly and to judge her husband and his efforts, danger Will Robinson, danger! ..

On top of that, husbands were never commanded to make their wives feel loved. They were commanded to love them. Sometimes love doesn't feel very loving..

I am always struck by the verse commanding husbands to love their wives as "Christ loved the church" because on the surface Christ didn't appear very loving to the church He actually knew. ..

Love the edginess of your take on this, wouldn't have ever considered it this way. Feeling sorry for Moriah. Only reading what she got served face to face gives me more space to take a step back and re-read it..
Nevertheless, the point you made is brilliant!
 
Staying congruent with the metaphor...are not God's people (wife) commanded to love the Lord thy God (husband) with all their heart, mind, soul, and strength?

I will say this: when my husband told me at point blank that husbands were not commanded to love their wives I so couldn't figure out why he is even saying that as surely a wife without love towards the man would bring forth all sorts of terrible things. I guess, us wives have it "easy" to slot in and by observation love the way that actually reaches the husband hence we are not specifically instructed to love them because we do it anyway.

Your quote only reinforces my idea, I would say. What do you think?
 
Good call that we often lose sight of the OP as we meander our way through a thread, lol!

Good insight. I like the parallel to business. Once again though it is a two way street to be effective!
 
I tried yesterday afternoon to get us off the book and back to the OP, but apparently we're too far gone....

TLS2's original question, apart from the LL framing, expressed a concern re how she would continue to feel loved, based on her present understanding of how that works, with another woman in the family. TLS2, apart from all the "is too, is not" banter above, the basic answer is that it's not going to work the way you presently understand it.

A reasonable analogy is the only child. (Not a perfect analogy, but a reasonable one.) It is a well-known and rather unremarkable phenomenon that whenever parents have an additional child, there may (not always, but often) be some jealousy issues at first. Generally these tend to get smoothed out rather quickly, and everybody moves forward into the new family arrangement together. Sometimes there is no problem. Sometimes the problem takes longer to resolve, and occasionally lifelong sibling rivalry issues take root.

When there are no additional children, another well-known and equally unremarkable phenomenon is the general personality type of the only child. A little self-absorbed, let's say. Not because that child was born evil, but because it didn't go through the natural conditioning of having to share with siblings as a child.

Tying it all together: In the area of child rearing, most people that have children at all tend to have at least two or three, and the phenomenon of the only child is seen as an outlier, a way in which sibling-less children are actually in a sense deprived of normal (and normative) childhood experiences.

But what if 500 years ago, based on some bible verses that use singular nouns and pronouns (e.g., "train a up a child in the way he should go"), the church and civil government had agreed that having more than one child was unlawful? Today we would be conditioned to accept the relatively self-absorbed expectations of the only child as 'normal' (and normative), and we would not be able to imagine how it could be healthy for children to have to "share their parents' love".

In like manner, we are all operating from a set of cultural assumptions that are non-biblical at best, and typically more anti-biblical, when thinking about marriage. This must change.

TLS2, I apologize. I had two opportunities to start a new thread to discuss the stupid book, and then when I did try to rein it in it was too late. The answer above is the best reply I can give to your burning question. Your concern is reasonable and understandable, but ultimately it is a function of cultural conditioning (which includes pop Christian self-help books, but is so much more than that), and that conditioning is something we all have to overcome to make this work. (And by "this" I mean biblical marriage, not just polygamy.)

May God grant you patience and fortitude.
 
Hi Andrew. This is my first post/reply since finding your "Biblical Families" site. Thank you very much for your wisdom and simple insights as it has been most helpful in answering some of the questions I've encountered. The analogy you've given above is most beneficial. May God bless you richly as you stand for the truth. Steve
 
Thanks, Steve. You are very kind. And welcome to the Biblical Families website and discussion forums! :cool:
 
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