I have no idea how this actually compares, just throwing it into the mix: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/19/barack-obama-libya-airstrikes-1224550
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January 20th 2025 - Donald Trump is BACK!
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I know, it's been done for years by multiple presidents. The last time Congress declared war was WW2, every single war the USA has waged since then has been unconstitutional (at least in violation of the intent of the constitution, if not the letter). Trump was just supposedly going to be different, he campaigned on stopping wars, not starting new ones, and focusing on using the military to defend your actual territory instead of bleeding it dry on more foreign adventures. Funny how he gets in and you find here's the new boss, same as the old boss... Or at least we'll know soon if he is.
Iran declared war on Israel, Israel is destroying their war-making capabilities.
Finishing off an Iran’s nuclear program, which Israel doesn’t have the ability to do, isn’t us going to war with them.
Lord knows that we have committed untold acts of war, but this isn’t it.
Iran will come out of this able to choose its own path forward, just unable to continue down the path that it has been on.
The people of Iran aren’t being conquered, but the war machine of their leadership is.
Finishing off an Iran’s nuclear program, which Israel doesn’t have the ability to do, isn’t us going to war with them.
Lord knows that we have committed untold acts of war, but this isn’t it.
Iran will come out of this able to choose its own path forward, just unable to continue down the path that it has been on.
The people of Iran aren’t being conquered, but the war machine of their leadership is.
I shouldn't have said anything. We'd better not discuss another war here...
I expect at most US covertly supporting Israel.
You see, both Israel and Iran are bullies, so hopefully they will beat other enough so that both want peace. I'm certain most of their neighbors are enjoying show.
Althought whole situation is becoming slighty nerve wrecking.
You see, both Israel and Iran are bullies, so hopefully they will beat other enough so that both want peace. I'm certain most of their neighbors are enjoying show.
Althought whole situation is becoming slighty nerve wrecking.
Don’t forget that Iran isn’t just a national security issue for Trump. It’s personal. We don’t hear much about it now, but the earliest reports about who may have coordinated his assasination attempt in PA led to Iran. Were the reports credible? Were they propaganda started to get him to react? Hard to tell. Notice how he mentioned this week about knowing where the supreme leader was and that it could be dangerous for him. He’s terrorizing Iran’s leader with his words and threats. It’s a gangster move intended to get the Iranian leader to think carefully about his next move. In Trump’s mind, the assasination payback is a bitch.
Trump is also operating under madman theory.
I’m certain his primary instinct is to avoid war and regime change, but he has to make Iran quake in their boots a little to get them to the negotiating table.
If they flinch, he’ll likely call in the Israelis to take out even more leaders until they cry uncle.
I’m certain his primary instinct is to avoid war and regime change, but he has to make Iran quake in their boots a little to get them to the negotiating table.
If they flinch, he’ll likely call in the Israelis to take out even more leaders until they cry uncle.
So you think that they are choosing to leave some that they could take out?
Other than the ayatollah, which stories earlier said that they couldn’t do?
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Chillingly, Pike then predicted a third world war which he said “must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the ‘agentur’ of the ‘Illuminati’ between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World.”
He continued: “The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Muslim Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.
“Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion.
“We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil.
“Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilisation, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view.
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The nation state of Israel was not a re-gathering by YAH. But a man made re-gathering orchestrated by the RothChilds. Furthermore, when the greater exodus does occur (initiated by the Almighty), the land is desolate. I’ve said it over a year ago - if you’ve read what the prophets wrote - why in the world would you want to live in a counterfeit Israel? The land must be desolate before the greater exodus:
Ezekiel 36:35
35 And when I bring you back, people will say, ‘This former wasteland is now like the Garden of Eden! The abandoned and ruined cities now have strong walls and are filled with people!’ 36 Then the surrounding nations that survive will know that I, YAHUAH, have rebuilt the ruins and replanted the wasteland. For I, YAHUAH, have spoken, and I will do what I say.
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As for Christianity - one of the most dangerous things a righteous man can do is take on a wife and have children. Why? Because she can go to the state at anytime - take half his wealth (which men spend decades building) - and his children. How can Christianity not be due for judgement? That’s just one example of perversion and lawlessness that is accepted in many of today’s churches. I wonder how rebellious women - especially who divorced their husbands and took his wealth/children - will do when the state they depended on throws them to the wolves?
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Pike's three wars letter is generally accepted to be a later forgery, as it uses language which was not in use at the time the letter was supposedly written. The letter was supposedly written in 1871, but the word "Zionist" was coined in 1896. Disregard it.
It’s “generally accepted” to be a forgery. However, it’s inconclusive. I don’t think the word “Zionist” seals the deal. These people plan many decades into the future. For example, one of their plans is to disrupt the household. They did it legally through the passing of laws, but also over time through entertainment and social engineering.
Also, those wars were not predictions. They were outlines. Albert Pike was a 33rd degree Freemason. In his own book - “Morals and Dogma” - he writes:
Scripture clearly shows us - the Almighty does not judge his people if they are righteous. Even some un-righteousness isn’t enough, because of his unfailing love and grace. It is when his people become very un-righteous, rebellious, proud, and refusing to repent; that is how terrible judgment occurs. So the god of this world had to first destroy the family unit - infiltrate the churches with lots of leaven - lead the people to sin - and then he can begin world war 3. Which according to their plan - may include martial law - financial collapse - blackouts - culminating to the most bloody turmoil against the civilians of the western world. And if those things occur - it’s only because YAH has allowed it to occur. Just like he allowed Assyria and Babylon to do what they did to the Northern and Southern kingdoms of Israel. It was righteous judgment. This time Islam may fulfill the role of ancient Assyria.
Men were created to be fruitful and multiply. Our seed works even in our 90’s - which is triple the length of time a woman can bear children.
When righteous men are persecuted and vilified - not only by their own wives (who are supposed to be in full submission), but also the churches (who are supposed to be teaching truth) - which results in men losing their own children and wealth - then what is the purpose? If the wife wants to leave - so be it - but the taking of his children and wealth destroys decades of struggle and work he put in.
Matthew 19:10
The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”
The issue at that time was for what reason can a man properly divorce his wife. If those disciples were alive in our generation - to see the perversion going on today - they would be flabbergasted - that the future followers of Yeshua would put themselves under complete bondage to their own wives. It’s pure perversion. Imagine a man tells his Lord and Savior - Yeshua - if you add a single additional member to your church - I will divorce you and take all of your children and half your wealth? It’s lunacy. Yet, this is the situation for the majority of Christian men with Christian wives.
The state laws have a lot to do with it. The worldly culture and the worldy church as well. They are all working together. One thing the conflict in Israel is showing - don’t put your faith in the almighty state. That iron dome was supposed to be bullet proof.
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Not sure. I don’t have inside info. I’m speculating. I just think they’ve got more up their sleeves.
This situation will be covered by other treaties and declarations. Hell, Iran has threatened to drown us in a sea of fire so many times I’m sure he can cite some kind of national emergency.
The "three wars" letter is absolutely a forgery. The following article traces back the references and completely solves the mystery.
In brief:
- A letter from Pike to Mazzini in 1871 was published in French in 1896 in a book called "The Devil in the 19th Century". It is unknown if this letter is genuine or a forgery. This letter is about a plot to overthrow the Catholic Church and control the world - but it does not mention three world wars. The plot is substantially different.
- In 1920, a newspaper article later compiled into a book pointed out similarities between this letter and the recent Russian Revolution, translating to English and quoting one paragraph of the original letter.
- In 1925 Cardinal Rodriguez translated that one paragraph into Spanish in an anti-masonic book.
- In 1958, William Carr published a book where he theorised that Pike was planning three world wars. He quoted this one paragraph verbatim, apparently translated back to English from Rodriguez's book, and summarised what he thought the rest of the contents of his letter would have been.
- In 2003, Michael Haupt made the website "three world wars". He wrote the rest of the letter, turning Carr's comments into a letter written in the style of the one paragraph Carr actually quoted, and incorporating that paragraph.
Now @OttoM, you seem to hold onto Haupt's letter as if it were a matter of religious faith. If that is the case I expect you will dismiss everything anyone says about it, but if you do that you are no longer dealing in reason. Don't be so gullible, or you will be easily controlled. Be skeptical. Investigate things, and be willing to conclude that something you believed to be true was actually false. Otherwise you will have lost all ability to reason for yourself.
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I never claimed it to be 100% true. However, the set pieces have been laid out for it to come to fruition (Europe didn’t have an Islam problem 20 years ago - even though the letter existed 20 years ago):
Also - Martin Luther - roughly 500 years ago:
Martin Luther viewed the Ottoman Empire (enforced Islamic regime) and its military expansion into Eastern Europe as a divine judgment against sinful Christendom. He believed the Turks were "the rod of God's anger" being used to punish the lukewarm Christianity, especially that which he saw as propagated by the Roman Catholic Church.
That was a warning shot. Christendom didn’t repent - they got much worse. So it’s no surprise that Islam now thrives throughout Europe. They are also growing much faster than the Christian households - because Islamic households have more children. Plus their marriages are much more stable versus the Christian. What would happen if the Pope chooses Israel? What would happen if the war intensifies and escalates? You think Islam in Europe is going to have peaceful protests?
Big moves of gold signifies a major shift occurring. There’s been a lot of gold being shipped out of Europe.
Destruction of Europe:
You believe in the letter or you don’t - it’s not really important. What you can’t deny is the reality of the situation. Not just in the Middle East - but also in Europe. Islam is not a peaceful religion. They are exterminators to those that have a different faith, and they are already causing major problems in Europe.
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As I said, you are considering this religiously. "Believe in" - it's not about believing in something. Is this letter some sort of divine scripture you have faith in and cannot question? Why would you put your faith in this?
Of course the letter appears relevant to today - it was not written very long ago. All it actually says about the Muslims is that they will fight the Jews, and that was already happening when Carr wrote his book, and when Haupt wrote the bulk of the letter. It's not prophetic, it describes what was already happening.
Did you read the article I posted a link to? It's only about 12 pages, and very interesting reading.
Bible prophecy says that the land is desolate when the greater exodus of Ephraim and Judah occurs. Both sticks are in exile. One stick forced its way back - not through intervention of the Almighty - but through the intervention of men.
The state of Israel did not include Ephraim in the re-gathering. Nor was the land desolate when they entered in the mid 1950’s. The exodus wasn’t lead by the Almighty, but orchestrated by the rothchilds. Therefore, the State of Israel is a counterfeit exodus. Not only that - but the 3rd temple - according to the dimensions provided by the prophet Ezekiel - won’t even fit without a complete demolition of many homes around the dome of the rock.
There are Jews that live in the state of Israel - that believe in Yeshua - that reject the Talmud - and I’ve heard from their own mouths call the state of Israel a counterfeit exodus. Doesn’t mean the people born there are at fault.
Regarding Ephraim (Christians) - only a remnant will return and/or be redeemed/delivered.
I am not necessarily disagreeing with any of that. It has nothing to do with the letter we were discussing, but is an attempt by yourself to deflect and not have to consider anything I have said.