March 2025 Biblical Families Newsletter - 5 Questions

[MemeFan]

But, I assume it’s exponentially worse. Living a biblical, patriarchal marriage is seen as cultish with most folk we know. I presume it’s exponentially worse with those of you living plural.

Assumption is mother of all fuc......

Devon Eriksen is rising SF writer who publically has two wives. Plural marriage didn't stop his rise or cancelled him.

You see, narrative control by establishment is working as blow up dam. In another words, it's flooding with truth, counter narratives, eggs in face of establishment etc....

So why would plural marriage be like tasting hell? USSR has died, you aren't North Korean... See, don't blackpill.

 

[paterfamilias]

Why do I desire plural marriage? Why do I desire marriage at all?

Not a question with a quick succinct potential answer really.
My wife and I started off agreeing it was a good idea but really did not pursue it for a long time. We made the mistake of being at various stages duel income no kids types who traveled or opened business or were climbing corporate ladders etc. In retrospect we should have grown the family significantly earlier. Later when we met someone who became a second wife, we had learned a lot of life lessons about what was most important but still learning every day as we find ourselves back in the market.

I suppose the big answer today is that we would like more kids, more heads and hands on problems, more companionship and not to sound too soppy but we like the more love rather a lot.

I will not go into the physical side as while it is perfectly delightful, it is not in the top several motivations.

 

[paterfamilias]

Do I desire to reflect the Heavenly King and His perfect church or an earthly king and a people who demonstrate earthly liberty?

Not a question I see as applying to me as both the odd man out in the group and even more oddly while a supporter of the concept of monarchy, I have yet to see evidence of anyone in power who is fit to wear the shiny bejeweled hat.
I suppose the reference to liberty somewhat applies to me in that I do not acknowledge the notion that any government or supposed authority has the moral authority to sanction unions be they plural or momo.

My own motivation is off to the side of the question in that I simply wish to grow my family and found something bigger than myself

 

[Mojo]

Assumption is mother of all fuc......

Devon Eriksen is rising SF writer who publically has two wives. Plural marriage didn't stop his rise or cancelled him.

You see, narrative control by establishment is working as blow up dam. In another words, it's flooding with truth, counter narratives, eggs in face of establishment etc....

So why would plural marriage be like tasting hell? USSR has died, you aren't North Korean... See, don't blackpill.

Are you living plural?

 

[MemeFan]

Are you living plural?

No, but that answer won't matter.

Cultural vibes. Learn to read. They have changed. Less conformism is general now.

 

[Mojo]

No, but that answer won't matter.

Cultural vibes. Learn to read. They have changed. Less conformism is general now.

So you’re going based on your own assumptions based on your reading? Got it.

When you’re plural, come back and give your authoritative input. Until then, your assumption is worth no more than mine.

 

[Mojo]

4) How and why would I be a blessing to a wife or wives?

Oh man, this is a huge one. It’s one that wives of dedicated, godly and patriarchal men really need to consider.

When we first started down this difficult road of considering plural biblical marriage, her mind only allowed her to become bitter thinking that only the husband gets the benefit of the life (more sex, more bragging rights).

But, as she started seeing all the dysfunctional and brainwashed women out there lacking true leadership and headship, she realized how truly ignorant she was to how blessed she was to have the commitment, dedication and protection that she really took for granted.

The truth is that more women than she realized are actually open to the idea of plural, but very few actually are willing to step out and live it, even if it would bless them tremendously.

 

[MemeFan]

So you’re going based on your own assumptions based on your reading? Got it.

When you’re plural, come back and give your authoritative input. Until then, your assumption is worth no more than mine.

Personal experience isn't only valid source of knowledge.

 

[Mojo]

Personal experience isn't only valid source of knowledge.

True, but if I had a heart attack and needed emergency help, I’d rather hear the opinion of a cardiologist who’s treated hundreds of patients as opposed to the guy glued to YouTube while sleeping at a Holiday Inn.

 

[paterfamilias]

Am I or are we counting the cost?

Not sure that I understand the framing of the question and if I am then I don't know that this is the frame I would construct.
Perhaps it is because I have not had any significant personal cost assessed to me beyond financial. Supportive family, supportive in-laws and supportive friends. Not a church goer so no penalties for not playing the reindeer games of modern doctrine.

I would frame the idea in terms of cost to benefit ratio or return on investment.
In my own case I see an enormous return on my investment and would do it all over...well, save for a few mistakes but nobody is perfect.
Definitely worth the costs in my estimation

 

[paterfamilias]

How and why would I be a blessing to a wife or wives?

How do you answer this without sounding like some narcissistic dork going rah rah rah me?

I am not sure how to answer a question like this beyond just listing jobs I do. Loving husband, over the top involved and dedicated father (who wants loads more kids ladies...assume if you are single that I giving you eyes), provider, protector and...and...not sure what else to throw in there that does not sound self promoting. Teacher? Guy to absorb as many of the lumps of the world for my family as possible.
None of that should be anything unusual. The modern world continues to disappoint however so who knows.

 

[MemeFan]

True, but if I had a heart attack and needed emergency help, I’d rather hear the opinion of a cardiologist who’s treated hundreds of patients as opposed to the guy glued to YouTube while sleeping at a Holiday Inn.

And polygamous man can only give his experience. Your cardiologist can see many persons, not just one which polygamous man has.

Unless you do valid survey of polygamous families (and BibFam) isn't valid source it comes down to "culture reading".

 

[Mojo]

And polygamous man can only give his experience. Your cardiologist can see many persons, not just one which polygamous man has.

Unless you do valid survey of polygamous families (and BibFam) isn't valid source it comes down to "culture reading".

You’re derailing this thread. Continue to give your opinion. You’re free to do it, just always be upfront when you give it.

“I don’t actually live plural, but all my Reddit reading and TwitterX experience tells me I’m right”.

I’m sure people will flock to your sage wisdom.

I’m done.

Now onto the topic at hand...

 

[Mark C]

4) How and why would I be a blessing to a wife or wives?

Oh man, this is a huge one. It’s one that wives of dedicated, godly and patriarchal men really need to consider.

...How do you answer this without sounding like some narcissistic dork going rah rah rah me?

I am not sure how to answer a question like this beyond just listing jobs I do. Loving husband, over the top involved and dedicated father...

Beyond mere listing IS 'teaching.' Certainly there is lots of interaction on this forum, where understanding (at least SOME of it!) can be shared.

But teaching itself is valuable. And those of us who do it share what we have and know and have learned in the process.

Some of that is permitted here; much more used to be.

The fact of the matter is, I teach Torah, as Written. My wives all know that, and it is a distinguishing factor. I don't want a wife who isn't open to being "teachable," at bare minimum, and a sunday-keeping pork-eater would simply not fit into our home.

It is also a filter, because some of us disagree about what is, or is not, important. When we were allowed to talk openly about His Word, those people who wanted to learn more about both the topic, and the people, were able to use that information. Sadly, it's now 'verbotten.' And all are poorer for it.

 

[paterfamilias]

As noted in my earlier reply, I do the teacher role as well. I just filter it through a different lense. Critical thinking and good conclusions which lead to decisions/action.
Or at minimum I flatter myself to think this is the outcome.

 

[Mark C]

As noted in my earlier reply, I do the teacher role as well. I just filter it through a different lense. Critical thinking and good conclusions which lead to decisions/action.

No disagreement there. My point was the filter itself. A "potential" wife who is not 'teachable' is not a real potential.

And there's no real 'critical thinking', much less good conclusions, when censorship stifles thoughtful interaction. We've seen more than enough of that over the last four+ evil years.

 

[paterfamilias]

No disagreement there. My point was the filter itself. A "potential" wife who is not 'teachable' is not a real potential.

And there's no real 'critical thinking', much less good conclusions, when censorship stifles thoughtful interaction. We've seen more than enough of that over the last four+ evil years.

Agree.
In point of fact, drawing a correlation between the last several years of political insanity. If a woman has been an easy target for the false propaganda inculcation drumbeat then I will have a hard time believing that her NPC programming can be uninstalled.

 

[Mojo]

If a woman has been an easy target for the false propaganda inculcation drumbeat then I will have a hard time believing that her NPC programming can be uninstalled.

Which leads to...

5) Are you evenly yoked?

Might this be the hardest to fulfill in this group of 5 questions? I realize that the pool of potential partners is getting bigger, but it’s still relatively small. Add to that the many flavors and varieties of our faith, and it could be hard to find someone that will come in “ready to go”.

I have more to say, but want to see what y’all think.

More thoughts anyone?

 

[Mark C]

Which leads to...

5) Are you evenly yoked?

Might this be the hardest to fulfill in this group of 5 questions? I realize that the pool of potential partners is getting bigger, but it’s still relatively small. Add to that the many flavors and varieties of our faith, and it could be hard to find someone that will come in “ready to go”.

Absolutely. Very few, if any, are - but that is the nature of relationship, headship, and teaching.

And it is the reason I continue to believe strongly that the only real ultimate key, "for me and my house," is that wives accept His Word, as Written, and every single "yod and tiddle," of it.

The obvious "elephant in the room":

If she believes 'He' changed His sabbath, after saying over and over and over again (and even emphasizing: examples -- Exodus 35:2, and the even more dramatic 'atbash' (or 'chiasm') in Exodus 31:12-17 -- that rebellion carries a death penalty)...
...why, oh, why would she not believe that 'He' could certainly have changed His mind about polygyny? (Turns out, it was the same mere men who changed all of 'em.)

And I've heard over and over (especially on BF, ironically) that "why would any woman believe me?" (or her potential husband) on such an issue? Answer: if she trusts an ancient 'pope' on that score more than the Word of YHVH, she will likely NEVER believe EITHER of you.

 

[Mojo]

Absolutely. Very few, if any, are - but that is the nature of relationship, headship, and teaching.

And it is the reason I continue to believe strongly that the only real ultimate key, "for me and my house," is that wives accept His Word, as Written, and every single "yod and tiddle," of it.

The obvious "elephant in the room":

If she believes 'He' changed His sabbath, after saying over and over and over again (and even emphasizing: examples -- Exodus 35:2, and the even more dramatic 'atbash' (or 'chiasm') in Exodus 31:12-17 -- that rebellion carries a death penalty)...
...why, oh, why would she not believe that 'He' could certainly have changed His mind about polygyny? (Turns out, it was the same mere men who changed all of 'em.)

And I've heard over and over (especially on BF, ironically) that "why would any woman believe me?" (or her potential husband) on such an issue? Answer: if she trusts an ancient 'pope' on that score more than the Word of YHVH, she will likely NEVER believe EITHER of you.

And if she accepts a portion of your teaching, but not all, is she a candidate for you?

Would you take her in marriage and then continue to teach and lead, or is she an unequally yoked non starter?