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This thread is super derailed btw. Couple of thoughts: I always read “doing right in their own eyes” as a negative. They did things according to their own morality, not God’s. That was the whole purpose of instituting judges. I welcome other...

If any of that is silent, then making a definitive conclusion in opposition is misguided, isn’t it? As far as Torah keeping, Paul offered up sacrifices in the Temple. The historical and biblical evidence seems to indicate that NT believers...

Ah, McClintock. Love JW and that movie. Maureen O’Hara is one of my faves. Not as good a flick as Quiet Man, but still good.

And yet those persecuted Christians did not obey the Roman state by refusing to burn incense to the emperor, so clearly there was no compulsion to obey that power.

Correct, it's better to obey God rather than men whenever there's a contradiction.

You will also find some who would disagree with this too, for various reasons. If taken too far, selflessness could paralyze a husband and father into not wanting to upset the peace in his home and thereby not making big or bold decisions...

Uhhh, not so sure about that. Sin doesn’t necessarily require an antecedent. It’s inherent. Plenty of well meaning and agape filled spouses have found themselves mystified by the actions of their one flesh partner. Like @steve said, basic...

There is a Bell Curve for anything, with abuse on either side of the center. I wish that the term patriarchy meant a balanced, Biblical male leadership. But alas, it doesn’t. It simply means male leadership, so toxic patriarchy is simply a...

That's right, it needs to be talked about. I just finished Jacob Foulk's book "Exposing the Spirit of Ashtaroth". Really good, there was a ton that resonated with me. Granted, there was about 15% or so that I didn't totally agree with, but that...

Agreed. Those terms can be both loaded and generic.

If this is what you believe, then you will find good company here.

Thanks for the examples. This ministry is unabashedly patriarchal (according to biblical extracts in the order of chain of submission). It’s a feature, not a secondary afterthought around here. However, what that looks like in each house is up...

Why accept spiritual middlemen when you go to direct to Master?

In old times (first video):

And yet those persecuted Christians did not obey the Roman state by refusing to burn incense to the emperor, so clearly there was no compulsion to obey that power.