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The sexual counterrevolution...

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The first 10 paragraphs and final 4 will be of most interest - you already know the state of things in our culture - which is the middle.

This backlash is not surprising, given how terrible the current situation is for women - but can it become a majority, or at least widespread, respected, position, until other things change? What does it mean for us, who are already at this place from a Biblical direction?
 
First thoughts:

I just read the article, @nathan, and see it as nothing new under the sun, basically echoing the wishful thinking of the marriage between Christian fundamentalists and sex-negative feminists (who don't mind engaging in such a partial marriage with their enemies, even if religion is slightly elevated, as long as they perceive that it will maintain or elevate women being in a position of dominance) that has existed since the 1980s. I also believe that cheerleading for this path will perversely lead to the demise of any small amount of freedom biblical-family practitioners-and-supporters currently enjoy. I have no problem with the individuals discussed at the beginning of the article making their own individual choices about how they seek marriage -- in fact, I applaud them -- but when one contemplates this becoming a Movement, it is at that point that I urge caution, because there is little possibility that any significant number of people who want to legislate morality (not to mention the people in the shadows who will see such a movement as a means to bring about their own distinct nefarious ends) will condone polygyny. My suspicion is that even a movement dominated by Christians would legislate against honoring what Scripture says on the whole about marriage.

Sex negativity is a pernicious force.

Second thoughts: see below.
 
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Keith Martin said:
.......but when one contemplates this becoming a Movement, it is at that point that I urge caution,......
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If it is a Movement, I would agree.
Hopefully it’s more of a movement, something without structure. Just a backlash in people’s thinking.
 
For me ai an waiting until marriage. I believe in putting God first. That is the one thing not described in that article. Women and men these days do not read the Bible and pray together therefore exposing there selfs to evil temptations. For the increased population going through pain and hard ache in relationships the few people left praying daily and spending time with God looking for a Godly spouse they keep on encountering unGodly options or options of to much drama to consider. Godly people want Godly relationships christian bodies need to start focusing on how to counter act evil in this subject by being or preaching about it. This is something that God has put on my heart
 
This is a reworked version of a very similar article this young woman wrote a few years ago. It is indeed fascinating.

I think it is significant. Many of these young people are going to start looking for answers and alternatives. Many of them are going to find Islam and it’s bizarre mixture of prudishness and perversion, but some of them are going to find us. Some of these young men are going to discover patriarchy. Some of these young women are going to as well. Hopefully we’re ready with am alternative and a community.
 
The Revolting Man said:
Hopefully we’re ready with an alternative and a community.
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Second thoughts:

Amen to that, @The Revolting Man, and I bow to your higher level of optimism than I expressed above. Sometimes lately my focus is so thoroughly on the incremental loss of freedom in America that I spend too much time contemplating the possibilities of how even more can be ripped away from us. One of the touchstones I need to utilize to keep focused on the prize, though, is that, as long as sex doesn't end up being defined as a mostly negative force that can only be manifested as positive within marriage if it remains within very strict parameters, freedom doesn't mean 100% license, because there is actually a greater degree of freedom when freedom is placed within reasonable limits -- and that is what the article points toward: thoughtful individuals placing reasonable limits on the manner in which they're going to enter into committed intimate relationships.
 
Third thoughts:

I also have to remind myself on a regular basis that I am not a mainstream member of this community, so my opinions on this and many other issues are somewhat irrelevant.

I am grateful to be permitted to be a sojourner in your world.
 
Keith Martin said:
thoughtful individuals placing reasonable limits on the manner in which they're going to enter into committed intimate relationships.
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That is what I meant by it being a movement, as opposed to being a Movement.
 
Keith Martin said:
Third thoughts:

I also have to remind myself on a regular basis that I am not a mainstream member of this community, so my opinions on this and many other issues are somewhat irrelevant.

I am grateful to be permitted to be a sojourner in your world.
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Your phrase "mainstream member of this community" made me laugh. I think I understand what you mean, but all of us are so far outside of any regular mainstream, that the thought of being "mainstream" cracked me up.

I guess I am kinda "mainstream" within the little world of Christians who believe the Bible permits polygyny.

Within the larger world, I might be an extreme reactionary patriarchy promoting, Reformed leaning, fundamentalist Christian, young earth creationist, permaculture homesteading, gun toting, liberty loving, creation stewarding, polygyny permitting, conspiracy minded survivalist weirdo.

:)
 
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Bartato said:
Within the larger world, I might be an extreme reactionary patriarchy promoting, Reformed leaning, fundamentalist Christian, young earth creationist, permaculture homesteading, gun toting, liberty loving, creation stewarding, polygyny permitting, conspiracy minded survivalist weirdo.

:)
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We match on 8.5/10.... :D

Seriously, our 'mainstream' is way outside the normal mainstream... and I like it...
 
The only mainstream on this site are those that believe in a risen Savior, and that neither He nor his Father has any objection to a man having more than one wife.
 
Bartato said:
Your phrase "mainstream member of this community" made me laugh. I think I understand what you mean, but all of us are so far outside of any regular mainstream, that the thought of being "mainstream" cracked me up.

I guess I am kinda "mainstream" within the little world of Christians who believe the Bible permits polygyny.

Within the larger world, I might be an extreme reactionary patriarchy promoting, Reformed leaning, fundamentalist Christian, young earth creationist, permaculture homesteading, gun toting, liberty loving, creation stewarding, polygyny permitting, conspiracy minded survivalist weirdo.

:)
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Maybe I'm more mainstream than I think, because I got a 6.0 score; however, in the education world, that would be on the cusp of a failing grade!
 
I like Steve's take. The BF motto should be the old (not Augustine, though often attributed to him) Latin: "In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas".
In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things, charity.
The Gospel is our essential, though patriarchy may be our 'gathering point' here. Whether or not I am mainstream on an issue or belief, compared to culture, the Church, or the rest of you here - I care not. I answer to Him - and what He calls me to is to love you, and you to love me - not to align myself with you perfectly. My guess is... the more we focus on how we are called to love, the less large the other differences are going to figure in our lives and minds.
 
nathan said:
I like Steve's take. The BF motto should be the old (not Augustine, though often attributed to him) Latin: "In necessariis unitas, in dubiis libertas, in omnibus caritas".
In essentials unity, in non-essentials liberty, in all things, charity.
The Gospel is our essential, though patriarchy may be our 'gathering point' here. Whether or not I am mainstream on an issue or belief, compared to culture, the Church, or the rest of you here - I care not. I answer to Him - and what He calls me to is to love you, and you to love me - not to align myself with you perfectly. My guess is... the more we focus on how we are called to love, the less large the other differences are going to figure in our lives and minds.
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Very well said, @nathan.
 
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