Meat PURPOSEFULLY BEATING A DEAD HORSE, or Isn't Grinding an Axe Superior to Chopping with a Dull Blade?

[Keith Martin]

This is a familiar topic but also a fresh can of worms. I'm noticing that I have been guilty of letting the current popular culture perhaps even fatally infect my approach to marriage and family relationships -- and I'm also noticing that I'm not alone in that regard among fellow Biblical Families web site participants. The language we use with ourselves and each other determines much more about how things play out in our present and future than we're generally willing to acknowledge. We are, in a certain sense, self-fulfilling-prophecy machines, so I will assert that, while using the languages of progressivism may make us feel like we are somehow adding a patina of sweet enlightenment to our promotion of patriarchy, what in fact is instead taking place is a matter of spreading the Adversary's tares among our wheat.

I am also pointedly requesting @rockfox to actively engage in this thread, and I do so because, despite the history of, well, animosity between us, in another thread recently I couldn't escape the vehemence with which rockfox was denounced as a woman hater for the supposed axe he grinds about feminism. I have to cop to having had the same reaction to him in the past, but the more I learn . . . the more I pay attention . . . the more I notice about what is going on in our culture, in the relationships my friends have, and in my own family's dynamics -- the more I conclude that we dismiss voices like rockfox's at our peril.

So this is a thread whose purpose is to start up a brand new conversation about postmodern feminism in particular and the influence in our lives of incorporating the philosophies of progressivism in general. Progressivism is, by design, intended to be insidious, subversive. (If you doubt that, you should start by reading what was my Bible as a young far-leftist: Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals.) Let's do our best to confront whatever degree to which each of us has attached self-defeating progressivism to our promotion of patriarchy, polygyny and surrender to our Heavenly Father -- without ending up at each other's throats.

I offer the following as a starting point for discussion:

 

[rockfox]

I'm not quite sure where you are going with this thread, but the main point in that video seems to be...

"Many modern women think men are a luxury instead of a necessity. Because you have a job and you can earn money. But women who think like this, their man is the government, the system. [which is men]"

He really hammers the point that women aren't dealing with reality and they won't make it through life without a man. They simply won't make enough money to make it through through retirement to the end of life on their own without a man.

Most Christians seem to think otherwise.

The end of that video makes it quite plain how incapable she is to deal with the reality of life.

Christians lost the culture war, we internalized both the language and the beliefs of the progressives. We just like to pretend otherwise.

 

[Keith Martin]

I'm not quite sure where you are going with this thread, but the main point in that video seems to be...

"Many modern women think men are a luxury instead of a necessity. Because you have a job and you can earn money. But women who think like this, their man is the government, the system. [which is men]"

He really hammers the point that women aren't dealing with reality and they won't make it through life without a man. They simply won't make enough money to make it through through retirement to the end of life on their own without a man.

Most Christians seem to think otherwise.

The end of that video makes it quite plain how incapable she is to deal with the reality of life.

Christians lost the culture war, we internalized both the language and the beliefs of the progressives. We just like to pretend otherwise.

Perhaps I'll inject some additional direction as the conversation emerges, but I applaud your analysis of the video. I've seen others of his videos, and they're all one-on-ones between him and a woman, almost all of them black women. The amazing thing is that he keeps them on the line! But, yes, the woman in this one has fully ingested the Kool-Aid, just like the women that matchmaker woman described in the video you provided in a different thread.

Where I am going here, though, most thoroughly included inspiring you to participate, because I crave your input on such matters. You may go over the edge from time to time, but what I think is a much more telling observation would be to assert that most of us don't even get close to the edge most of the time -- and in avoiding that edge in discussion is to shrink away from fully acknowledging some significant truths. My commitment to you is that, in this thread, I'm going to call out anyone who labels you a gynophobe. If you are or anyone else is actually afraid of women, it's not a matter of hating women, and it's certainly not a matter of cowardice; instead, given the state of affairs in regard to how much power women now have over the men who are still expected to protect and provide for them, it might be much more accurate to assert that it would be foolish not to have at least just a little bit of mind-sharpening fear of what kind of destruction women can be, in our culture or in our individual relationships with them.

 

[rockfox]

But, yes, the woman in this one has fully ingested the Kool-Aid,

"You make everything so doom and gloom".

She couldn't dispute the facts of what he said, she just didn't like that the facts were so negative and so objected to them. Total inability to deal with reality. All unicorns and rainbows. Child-like thinking right to the end.