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Practicing Polygyny Legally

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THE PRACTICE OF POLYGYNY IN AN HOSTILE ENVIRONMENT (CALIFORNIA, FOR
EXAMPLE)
COPYRIGHT (c) 1997, 2002 BY L. TYLER

P.O.Box 620763
San Diego, CA92162-0763
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PART ONE OF TWO PARTS

TABLE OF CONTENTS
Introduction
1. A legal polygynous covenant for a polygynous union event.
2. Federal law and the practice of polygyny.
3. California law and the practice of polygyny.
4. The Biblical basis for diligent discretion in polygyny
5. Possible legal polygynous wedding covenants/contracts

AN AFFIRMATION AND COVENANT OF INTIMATE UNION FOR LIFE
*********HIS PART*****************
I,_________________, accept _______
as my own woman, before God and the angelic
witnesses here present. I do solemnly affirm,
declare and accept my responsibility before God to __________ as my
own woman, in all
honor and love, in all service and duty, in all faith and tenderness,
to live with, comfort, keep, unselfishly and compassionately cherish
_____,according to the ordinance of Jesus Christ in the holy bond of
our union before God. I accept the ordinance ofKing Jesus that
indicates that any heterosexual intimacy of ours is to be experienced
only within the holy bond of our union and according to His Word. I do
solemnly affirm, declare and accept my responsibility in our union to
be _________'s loving and faithful intimate partner, to love and to
unselfishly cherish her in plenty and in want, in joy
and grief, in health and infirmity as long as we both shall live. I
hereby leave and separate myself and my allegiance from my parents and
family to loyally bond with ________ as one in our intimate union,
submitting to each other according to the Word of God in the reverence
of God. I commit myself to her with all of my heart, to live wisely
with her; not domineering or
tyrannizing her but repectfully, unselfishly
cherishing her, feeding her the Word, holding her up in prayer, taking
care of her and humbly leading her by my example, by the grace and
enabling of Jesus Christ.

**************HER PART**********

I,_____________, accept _______________
as my own intimate partner for life, before God and the angelic
witnesses here present. I do solemnly affirm, declare and accept my
solemn responsibility in our union to ____ as my own intimate partner,
in all honor and love, in all service and duty, in all
faith and tenderness, to live with, comfort, keep, unselfishly and
compassionately cherish _____, according to the ordinance of Jesus
Christ in the holy bond of this our covenanted and intimate union. I
accept the ordinance of King Jesus that indicates that any
heterosexual intimacy or ours is to be
experienced only within the holy bond of our
intimate and covenanted union and according to His Word. I do solemnly
affirm, declare and accept my solemn responsibility in our union to be
______'s loving and faithful marital partner, to love and to
unselfishly cherish him in plenty and in want, in joy and grief, in
health and infirmity as long as we both shall live. I hereby leave and
separate
myself and my allegiance from my parents and
family to loyally bond with ________ as one in
our intimate union, submitting to each other
according to the Word of God in the reverence
of God. I commit myself to him with all of my
heart, to live wisely with him to follow his lead in the Lord, showing
him honor and respect in all matters.

************(in unison) ************
We covenant before God and all present, that we are intimate partners
for life, bound together in our solemn and intimate union to be one
flesh in the Lord until death part us. We covenant before God and His
angels that it is our solemn and lifelong responsibility to
unselfishly and compassionately cherish each other in our intimate
union according to His Word, the Holy Bible, and to His glory and
honor. Pray for us.
_________________________
The Couple's Signatures and Date
Witnessed by God and His holy angels.
or he writes out his part to her and she writes out her part to him
and sign them.

INTRODUCTION OF THE LAWS AGAINST POLYGYNY

Bigamy is the "criminal offense of willfully and knowingly contracting
a second marriage (or going through the form of a second marriage)
while the first marriage, to the knowledge of the offender, is still
subsisting and undissolved.">a Bigamy is the "state of a man who has
two wives, or of a woman who has two husbands living at the same time.">a

"A married person is guilty of bigamy, a misdemeanor, if he contracts
or purports to contract another marriage, unless at the time of the
subsequent marriage . . . . . the actor reasonably believes that he is
legally eligible to remarry." Model Penal Code #230.1 >a [>a Deluxe
Black's Law Dictionary, p. 163, West Publishing Co. St. Paul, MN]

Polygamy: "A person is guilty of polygamy, a felony of the third
degree, if he marries or cohabits with more than one spouse at a time
in purported exercise of the right of plural marriage. The offense is
a continuing one until all cohabitation and claim of marriage with
more than one spouse terminates. This section does not apply to
parties to a polygamous marriage, lawful in the country of which they
are residents or nationals, while they are in transit through or
temporarily visiting this state." Model Penal Code #230.1>b [>b Deluxe
Black's Law Dictionary, p. 1159, West Publishing Co. St.
Paul, MN]

The sticky issue in the WEST/OCCIDENT is that "a married person is
guilty of bigamy, a misdemeanor,"
a) if he signifies that he is contracting another marriage while he is
still married to another.
b) if he implies that he is contracting another marriage while he is
still married
c) if he claims or professes to be contracting another marriage while
still married
d) if he engages in a wedding/marriage given in other than the exact
words.

In the WEST/OCCIDENT, "person is guilty of polygamy, a felony of the
third degree , if he marries . . . more than one spouse at a time"
a) signifying that is exercising the right of plural marriage.
b) implying that he is exercising the right of plural marriage.
c) claiming/professing to be exercising the right of plural marriage.
d) engaging in the exercise of the right of plural marriage using
other than the exact words of marriage or of a wedding.

In the WEST/OCCIDENT, A "person is guilty of polygamy, a felony of the
third degree , if he . . . cohabits with more than one spouse at a time"
a) signifying that is exercising the right of plural marriage.
b) implying that he is exercising the right of plural marriage.
c) claiming/professing to be exercising the right of plural marriage.
d) engaging in the exercise of the right of plural marriage using
other than the exact words of marriage or of a wedding.

I understand these provisions to mean that anyone who wants to
practice polygyny in the WEST/OCCIDENT must not publicly, or in writing,
a) signify that he/she is contracting another marriage while still
married to another.
b) imply that he/she is contracting another marriage while still married
c) claim or profess to be contracting another marriage while still married
d) engage in a "wedding/marriage" given in other than the exact words
(see the alternatives to the use of loaded words like
"wedding/marriage" in union celebrations or union ceremonies)
e) signify that he/she is exercising "the right of plural marriage."
f) imply that he/she is exercising "the right of plural marriage."
g) claim/profess to be exercising "the right of plural marriage."
h) engage in the exercise of "the right of plural marriage" using
other than the exact words of "marriage" or of a "wedding". (There
must be no claim to the right of plural marriage in the union
celebration, no claim to the right to exercise plural marriage in the
union celebration, no use of synonyms for "marriage" [matrimony,
wedlock, etc.] or for "wedding" [marriage, nuptials etc.]).
i) cohabit with more than one spouse at a time, signifying that he/she
is exercising the right of plural marriage.
j) cohabit with more than one spouse at a time,implying that he is
exercising the right of plural marriage.
k) cohabit with more than one spouse at a time, claiming/professing to
be exercising the right of plural marriage.
l) cohabit with more than one spouse at a time, engaging in the
exercise of the right of plural marriage using other than the exact
words of marriage or of wedding for the relationship or event. (There
must be no claim to the right of plural marriage in the cohabitation,
no claim to the right to exercise plural marriage in the cohabitation,
no use of synonyms for "marriage" [matrimony, wedlock, etc.] or for
"wedding" [marriage, nuptials etc.] in the cohabitation.)

"The showing of minimal numbers of prosecutions does not establish an
abandonment of the State's laws or an irrational revival of them here.
. . . . Mere failure to prosecute other offenders is no basis for a
finding of denial of equal protection." (See U.S. v. Salazar, 1983. P.
107) The courts follow the waves and tides of society. Right now it is
neither important , popular or cost efficient to prosecute bigamy/
polygyny cases now. The tide can turn at any time. If you believe in
the cycles of our culture as I do, you now how well the cultural tide
can turn. Consider the following:
1700- 1730, 1800 - 1830 and 1900- 1930 were times of majority rule and
the minorities be damned. If you were a woman or a minority, watch out
and step back. It was a time of heavy handed rule by the majority for
the majority. Many of the majority indulged themselves excessively and
at the expense of the minorities. It was a cultural Catholic and WASP
world, a time of ghettos for the minorities, who were thankful when
the majority left them alone or ignored them.
THE PENDULUM HAD SWUNG TO FAR CONSERVATIVE SIDE.

1730 -1750, 1830 -1850 and 1930 - 1950 were periods when the
government faced a series of crises that kept it from dealing with
major wrongs in society. The government was doing well if it could
just keep the lid on the pot of society. It was not a time of minority
rights because women, Jews, minority races and ethnic minorities
essentially had no government recognized rights other than those for
all in the Constitution, but their rights were ignored in "benign
neglect". The government was too busy coping with wars, collapsing
economies and a struggle to keep the country unified.

1750 - 1770, 1850-1870 and 1950-1970 were periods of great social
turmoil and dramatic cultural crises resulting in legislated reforms
and moves towards democratic goals.
THE PENDULUM HAD SWUNG TO THE LIBERAL SIDE.

1770 - 1790, 1870 - 1890 and 1970 - 1990 were periods of general
malaise and disillusionment with the reforms and democratic advances
of the '50's - '70's. The dreams died and many of the new and more
democratic laws suffered from "benign" neglect. An erosion of personal
liberties began, but things didn't become as bad as they were before
the reforms. The people turn inward, more preoccupied with themselves
and their issues than the culture's issues. They werere burnt out and
tired of cultural reforms and movements.

1790 - 1810, 1890 - 1910 and 1990 -2010, if the cycle continues to
hold true, the rights of minorities will almost be totally neglected
by an exhausted and self-centered population AND THE PENDULUM WILL
SWING TO THE HARD CONSERVATIVE SIDE. The individual will
have to survive the best he can in a cold and uncaring world---unless
China or Russia ignite World War III and the great war of Revelations
Six ushers in the Tribulation, with scenario #1, one third of the
world's population dying within a month of the outbreak of The War; or
scenario #2, one third of the midEast's population dying within one
month of such a war.

Whatever the scenario, we who believe in polygyny, and especially
those who practice it need to think defensively and think survival in
a world that grows colder, harder, more insensitive and more evil day
by passing day. If I were practicing polygyny, especially if I were
raising children in polygyny, I would take every precaution, every
defensive measure and exercise every discretion to protect my loved
ones and my home from the packs of wolves and hyenas that are out
there waiting for us to make an unnecessary mistake that would expose
and our loved ones to their fangs, to the great pain and loss of our
loved ones. We must be wiser than serpents and foxes, yet harmless as
doves and sheep, remembering how easy doves and sheep die. Thank God
that we are doves and sheep indwelled and shepherded by the Lord Jesus
Christ, the thankful possessors of eternal life and the hope of living
eternally with the God who is Unselfish and Compassionate
Cherishing, Truth, Light, Life and the Way.

1. FEDERAL LAW AND THE PRACTICE OF POLYGYNY

Federal Law (Federal Reporter, 2d Series, #760, pp. 1065-1071):"Utah
was justified, by compelling interest, in upholding and enforcing ban
on plural marriage to protect monogamous marriage relationships."
(U.S.C.A. Const. Amends 1,14)

In Reynolds v. U.S., 98 US (8 otto) 145, 25, L.ED. 244 (1878; p.
1068), "the Supreme Court affirmed a criminal conviction of a Mormon
for practicing polygamy, and rejected the argument that Congress'
prohibition of polygamy violated the defendant's right to the free
exercise of religion." In the 1972 Yoder case, "The Supreme Court has
recognized the continued validity of [the] REYNOLDS [case]."
In YODER (p.1069), the court cited REYNOLDS in support of the
proposition that it "is true that activities of individual's, even
when religiously based, are often subject to regulation by the states
in the exercise of this undoubted power to promote the .. . . .
general welfare, or the Federal Government in the exercise of its
delegated powers." The Reynolds case against polygyny/bigamy was
reaffirmed in 1983 (Bob Jones Univ. v. U.S.).

>>The Court has already made up its mind that, in the USA, you may not
practice polygyny as a right in the free exercise of your religion.
"Since Yoder [1972], the Court has said that statutes "making bigamy a
crime surely cut into an individual's freedom to associate, but few
today seriously claim such statutes violate the First Amendment or any
Constitutional provision." YODER p. 1069

In 1978, the Steward and J. & Powell decisions concurred in the
judgment that the "state may legitimately say that no one who has a
living husband or wife can marry. . . . the state has the undeniable
interest in insuring that its rules of domestic relations reflect
widely held values of its people. . . . . " YODER p. 1069 Majority
rule, or majority sentiment or majority values RULE and we all know
how the majority feels (especially the majority of women) about bigamy
and polygyny. Give this rule of law, it is futile to attempt to get
the Supreme Court, or any state, to change its provision. Bigamists
and polygynists are the minority, and neither a recognized nor a
protected minority. We must live our lives wisely in an hostile
environment, and not expect or ask for society's help or recognition.

"After Reynolds, though before Yoder, the Supreme Court upheld Mann
Act convictions for transporting at least one plural wife across
state lines either to cohabit with her or to aid another person in
such a project, despite a challenge based on the Free Exercise
Clause." (See Cleveland vs. U.S., 3294514, in 1946). p. 1070

In State v. Barlow (107 Utah 292-1944), "The Utah Supreme Court
rejected the defendant's free exercise challenge and affirmed their
convictions for cohabitating with more than one person of the opposite
sex." The U.S. Supreme Court dismissed the defendant's appeal of the
Utah Supreme Court decision. p. 1070
"We find no authority for extending the Constitutional right to
privacy so far that it would protect polygamous marriages. We decline
to do so." 1985, see Roe v. Wade. p. 1070

>>>In such a state or where ever there exits a law against cohabiting
with more than one person of the opposite sex, wisdom would decree
that each wife would have to have her own studio/cottage/cabin
following the African polygyny model where the husband would make
the rounds visiting his wives dwelling in a fair and equitable manner
to fulfill his "duty of marriage" with each. With today's economy and
prices two female mates (of their own man) might go together and live
in a one bedroom or studio apartment. All could still come together in
one place for meals, fellowship, prayer and fun without violating the
laws against cohabiting with more than one woman. Again, I believe all
the taboo words must be religiously and conscientiously avoided (wife,
husband, marriage, wedding, spouse etc.) in such a hostile environment.

The "Constitutional right of privacy prevents the state from
criminalizing the non-prostitutional heterosexual activities of two
unmarried consenting adults when such activities occur in privacy of
home." Duling, 603 F. Supp. 960 (E.D. Va 1985). p. 1071
It behooves American polygynists that are legally married to be
legally UNMARRIED AND CONSENTING with any other covenanted sexual
partners they may have, exercising their polygyny in the privacy of
their home, sexually, verbally and editorially.

2. CALIFORNIA LAW AND THE PRACTICE OF POLYGYNY

California Law: (#284) "Every person who knowingly and willfully
marries the husband or wife of another . . . . is punishable by fine
not less than $5000 or by imprisonment in state prison." (7/1/'97)
Again we see the need for all parties to a polygynous relationship
should be legally single, not legally married. It is simply a
precaution against this kind of prosecution/persecution. State prison
is Hell and is daily filled with life threatening experiences, even on
the less violent classification levels, and should be avoided at all
costs.

"Bigamy is punishable by a fine not exceeding $10,000 or by
imprisonment in a county jail not exceeding one year or in the state
prison." (#283 Calif. Penal Code; 9/27/'83; operative 1/1/'84) One
should not be so selfish and cavalier as to jeopardize their
family unity, their emotional, intimate and sexual union, for the
"cause" of polygyny. It is not worth the hardship of loss and
separation to you and your loved ones to be put in jail for practicing
your belief in polygyny that violates the specific laws of society. It
is a wiser course to practice one's faith, including polygyny,
"striving to live peacably with all men", seeking to give offense to
no one, by practicing it as instructed in Romans 14, i.e. privately ,
discretely and with great discernment so as not to unnecessarily
stumble or offend our weaker brethren who are still bound by the laws
and traditions of men.

To pracitce polygyny in California today, you must not:
>> 1. Be legally married to more than one "wife" at the same time (CA
Criminal Law #820)
>> 2. Be married in an officially recognized ceremony to more than one
"wife" at one time (CA Criminal Law 822; Fam Law #66))
>> 3. Be married in a state or publicly recognized common-law marriage
to more than one wife at the same time (CL 822; Fam Law
#65 & #66). Public here means the general public, not polygynous
families who join you in a covenanting event.
>> 4. Be married by state license to more than one mate at the same
time (CL822)
>> 5. Be solemnized in marriage to more than one wife at the same time
by an official recognized by the state (CL822). If the
polygynous "marriage" is "solemnized" by ceremony, rite or ritual, the
words "wife", "husband" and "marriage" should be avoided carefully (a
good thesaurus will help. See the
appendix. See Fam Law#65).
>> 6. Be authenticated in marriage to more than one wife at the same
time (in polygyny) in any way acceptable to the state
(CL822)
>> 7. File the marriage certificate of registry with the state, for
your polygynous marriage. (CL822)
>> 8. Conclude in an official civil manner or legally your "marriage"
in polygyny. (CL824)
>> 9. Publicly cohabit as husband and wife, publicly and mutually,
assuming marital rights, duties and obligations, including
sexual relations with more than one wife at the same time.(CL825)
[Public here is the general public, not one's polygynous associates.
Even though they may not cohabit as husband and wife, they may cohabit
as man and woman, man and his own woman, exclusive lovers, exclusive
love/life partners, exclusively devoted lovers, a man and his covenant
woman/lover/partner/pal, or viceversa for all the above (e.g. a woman
and her own man).]
>> 10. Have the reputation in a community of being married, nor deport
yourselves in the neighborhood as husband and wife (Fam Law 61 & 62).
Specifically you must not allow/permit/encourage common, general,
uniform, and undivided repute among witnesses/
neigbors that you are married to more than one mate at the same time.
(Fam Law#65, Re Estate of Gill; Hite v. Hite; Re Estate of
Baldwin). The reputation of being a man with more than one woman/lover
would be legal.
>> 11. Have any one other than the actual parties of the polygynous
uniting present at the "uniting" ceremony (Fam Law 62), since every
witness of the "uniting" is a possible "witness" of the polygynous
uniting in a bigamy trial. See # 5 above. If they are willing to take
the chance, there would be relative safety in having other
polygynously "united" couples present. I don't see any problem with
witnesses at a "covenant event", "union ceremony", or "bonding
ceremony" (not wedding ceremony, see ch. 3). It would be foolish and
risky to invite or inform the monogynous and/or the opponents of
polygyny to any such uniting event. It only takes one witness to files
criminal charges.

A man and his women who practice polygyny in Calif. must realize that
the admissions of polygyny by one of his mates is hard evidence for
the state in a felony bigamy case. The "testimony by a party to one of
the marriages in issue" (People v. Van Wie/O'Neal/Rauch) is hard
evidence. The danger of this can be reduced by a prenuptial witnessed
contract in which they bind themselves to be responsible for the
payment of all attorney fees of all parties involved if one of them
should ever admit practicing polygyny in such a way that their
admission or testimony results in litigation, criminal or civil; and
agreeing to the sale of all their present and future possessions to
pay for such attorney fees and all costs incurred by the one being
prosecuted/litigated for polygyny as the result of such an admission.

The testimony of any witness to a polygynous uniting is such evidence
(People v. Stokes/ DuFault). The testimony of witnesses of the
polygynous mates' cohabitation and their reputation of "being married"
is such hard evidence (People v. Beevers/DuFault). This can be avoided
by making no public claim that you all are husband and wives, by
publicly introducing and presenting you and your mates as exclusive
lovers, covenanted lovers or a man and his own women etc. and making
sure to use a covenant like the one at the end of this article.
Traditional wedding rings on the wedding ring finger should not be
used on the wedding ring finger since they are a public statement of
marriage. A wooden ring or a braided ring on the wedding finger could
be sufficient for the polygynous. But all life is full risks and there
is always the possiblity of a Judas in the crowd in every gathering.
One who opposes polygyny should never be invited or made aware of a
polygynous uniting. For those who feel led to enter into polygyny in
California, they must do so at their own risk and they must do it very
prudently, counting the cost before entering into it.

To be polygynous in California, your "marriages" must be without
benefit of the civil law, its protection and its requirements. It is
best if none of the members of a polygynous marriage is legally/
officially married to the husband of the family (Fam Law58). There is
no law against two or more single people living together and having
sex together, so a polygynous family can take on this
appearance/manifestation. The second or etc. covenanted woman in a
polygynous marriage can neither have nor seek protection or
recognition of marital rights or obligations by the state. The state
and the public must not know the true nature of the polygynous
relationship.

Rights and responsibilities may be drawn up and agreed to in a
private, but a witnessed contract (see examples below) could be used,
carefully avoiding the use of words like "husband" or "wife" or
"marriage". Such a contract must not have any language that represents
or presents the parties involved as husband and wife or wives.
Property rights, money distribution, bill payment, financial
responsibilities, child rearing duties, sexual relations,
inheritances, house keeping duties etc. can all be covered by a
witnessed (by God or by humans) contract/covenant between the parites
involved. I believe that every "wife" in polygyny should be given the
"power of attorney" in all matters of her own man in the event of his
incapacity or hospitalization, and every man in polygyny should be
given the "power of attorney" in all matters of each of his ow women.
Of course all parties involved should have carefully drawn up wills or
living trusts covering the disposition of their property and children
in the event of their death or incapacity.

There can be no state recognized ceremony or documents or
documentation. There can be no state recognized common law marriage of
the parties involved in the polygynous relationship. As stated in
Hebrews 11:13-16, our citizenship is in the heavenlies in the
spiritual realm and we await the City of God. So instead of being
licensed by the state, Christian polygynists must get the permission
to marry from their King, the Lord Jesus Christ. Instead of being
solemnized by an official of the state, the polygynous marriage must
be solemnized by the presence of God, His angels and His children. His
Word that He hates covenant breaking (Malachi 2) and that He hates the
break up of marriages----that Word gives all the necessary solemnity
to a sincere exchange of marital covenants between the polygynous man
and his own woman. The fact that He knows our hearts, the thoughts and
intents of our hearts, makes Him the only One Who can really
authenticate such a polygynous relationship. Nothing needs to filed
with God since He was there as witness and every word said and every
thought imagined are a matter of record with Him.

To conclude your polygynous uniting with cohabitation requires great
discretion on the part of those involved. They may not present
themselves as "husband" and "wives" to society in general and their
neighbors in particular (Boyd v. Boyd, 1962, CrimLaw825). A polygynous
husband must not address his own polygynous woman as wife in public,
in introductions or even in writing to those not intimately involved
in the polygynous relationship. Romans 14:16-23, especially verse 22,
makes it real clear that the practice of such controversial things
requires secrecy and discretion on the part of those who have the
liberty to practice it. To the world they may be only man and
mistress, or boy friend and girl friends shacking up. If the women
have their own separate residence, then when their own man comes to
visit etc. he would be presented/introduced as their own man, or their
own devoted and covenanted lover. Only in the circles of their
polygynous confidants and supporters may they be recognized as
"husband" and "wife", even though those words are not used.

In California "It is no defense to a charge of bigamy that the
doctrines and practice of polygamy are a part of the religion of the
accused" (Reynolds v. U.S.; Davis v. Beason). Polygyny in California
may not take the form of Common Law marriage, nor may it involve the
public presentation of the parties involved as husband and wife/
wives. To practice polygyny in California, you may not publicly
address your own polygynous mate(s) as wife and she (they) should not
publicly address you as husband.

But what is in the word "wife"? Isn't it the relationship, the
covenants that make the marriage, and not the words "husband and
wife"? If a wife in polygyny knows that her husband is an honorable
man before the Lord, a man of integrity, a man who honors his word and
his commitments, then she will feel just as much his wife when he
introduces her as, or calls her "my Beloved", "my Darling", "my
Lover", "my Lady", "my darling Helpmeet", "Blessed Companion", "the
Queen of my heart", etc. instead of "my wife".

If a husband in polygyny knows that his mate in polygyny is an
honorable woman before the Lord, a woman of integrity, a woman who
honors her word and her commitments, then he will feel just as much
her husband when she introduces him as, or calls him "My own Man", "My
Mate", "Beloved", "my Companion", my Partner" etc. instead of "my
husband". There are many names for a wife and a husband other than
"wife" and "husband". Love and creativity can join forces to develop
names that are uniquely yours in your marriage that speak to you of
the intimate and confidential nature of your polygynous relationship.
It is the covenant before God that makes the relationship, not the
names or titles.

One must be extremely careful when polygynously courting. If the
relationship goes bad, the offended party has hard evidence of your
intention to get that party to engage in "the crime of polygyny". All
of the legally sensitive words mentioned above should be avoided when
describing one's marital status or intentions in all correspondence,
email and phone communications. You should not make hard evidence that
you intend to engage in "the crime of polygyny", that you have engaged
in it, or that you are engaged in it. Romans 14:19-23 should be
observed in this matter at all times with all parties, carefully,
privately and discretely guarding your personal liberty to be polygynous.

END OF PART ONE OF TWO PARTS.

THE SONG OF SOLOMON
```[ The Shulamite to her friends]
**(1:2.) He should kiss me with the kisses of his mouth!

```[The Shulamite to Solomon, in the
hearing of her friends]
**For your [sexual] loving is better than wine. (3.) Your ointments
smell sweetly;
Your name is an ointment poured forth:
Therefore do the [marriage-age] virgins love you. (4.) Lead, drawing
me along!

```[Her friends , the Daughters of
Jerusalem ]
**--We will run after you!

```[The Shulamite to her friends ]
**The king has brought me into his chambers---

```[Her friends, the Daughters of
Jerusalem to Solomon; or Solomon's
concubines/wives to him]
**-We will be glad and rejoice in you,
We will remember your [sexual] loving more than wine.

```[ The Shulamite to the king ]
**They love you uprightly.

```[The King about his Black Shulamite]
6:8 There [are] sixty queens, and eighty concubines, and virgins
without number. 9 But My dove, My undefiled is one [alone]. She [is]
the [only] one of her mother. She [is] the choice of her who bore her.
The daughters saw [her] and blessed her; the [other] queens and the
concubines [of the king] saw her, and they praised her.
 
Thanks for all the very interesting legal advice, but I have a couple of core questions. Your suggestions of “private” lives and living as if unmarried so as to not cross “word boundaries” with neighbors seems problematic. First, I am called to live as a witness for Christ as a man (new creation) who walks to a righteous standard. We are called to be ambassadors for Christ. The practice you suggest causes that witness to be tainted. Second, any wife I was married (one, two, three, etc.) to under that wronged witness would have her honor and virtue impugned by all who saw such a arrangement. Lastly, children would grow up under enormous pressure to either lie to the status of their parents (not a good practice) or not be under the same roof of a father and thus not under the benefit of true Biblical covering.

Surely there must be another way by which our faith, our families, and our God are not called into question being immoral. Hugh Hefner cannot be the model for Biblical Families!

Ray
 
Hi Ray, I don't know if Tyler reads here regularly not, but he's posted a shorter description of his "take" on living Christian plural marriage before, and a number of us commented. I'd like to state that I've known Tyler (digitally only) for more than 10 years, and respect him as a Christian brother.
That said, I know of almost no one else who agrees with his view on living "separately" and totally "secretly". This seems like "multiple families", as opposed to one family with several wives, and seems unkind to those involved. And while I appreciate the ideas of not causing others to stumble (and have left churches before I would do that), and avoiding offending the state (legally) - I don't think these principles should be the highest priorities of polygamous families. I think you are right that our witness needs to be stronger than that, if it was really God who called us into a plural family. Certainly, we don't need to be lying to family members - or anyone in my opinion. There is something to be said for not wearing your family situation "on your sleeve", or "casting your pearls before swine", as I like to think of it - but if asked outright, I will never deny my marriage status to one of my wives.
 
Canada + Case Law = relative safety for me. No legal protections but very few legal risks. I'm glad I don't have to go through all that stuff.
 
Personally if I eventually get married I wouldn't want to hide something that isn't shameful. I'm definately not going to put up a billboard in my front yard about it, but I wouldn't want to hide or lie about it either. There's nothing wrong with scriptural plural marriage so I don't feel as if there is anything to hide from. Sure, there's going to be scrutiny and possibly attacks, but unless someone is willing to stand up for something righteous like this then there will always be the misconceptions that lead to animosity. People have remained silent and inactive in the past and now we have women who wear more clothing on the beach than they do in public and men who have absolutely no moral bearing, self discipline, or integrity.

"The only thing necessary for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing."

DeanneRay said:
Hugh Hefner cannot be the model for Biblical Families!

lol, You can't help but chuckle at a statement like that!
 
Re: Practicing Polygyny Legally & Romans 14

Deanne/Ray wrote: "Your suggestions of “private” lives and living as if unmarried so as to not cross “word boundaries” with neighbors seems problematic. First, I am called to live as a witness for Christ as a man (new creation) who walks to a righteous standard. We are called to be ambassadors for Christ. The practice you suggest causes that witness to be tainted."

Hopefully such an observation is made without a better understanding of all that is involved. First of all my two ladies with whom I do not live most of the time tell their friends and neighbors that I am their "Friend". When and if pressed by the neighbor, they reply that they are not free to talk of their relationship with me. If they are asked why, they explain that their religion does not allow them to say anything more.
***Romans 14;1As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. [ Accept and welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but don't argue about or pass judgment on doubtful and disputable issues, opinions and reasonings like those about polygyny] . . . 15 For if your brother is grieved by [your polygyny you] are no longer walking in love. By what you [do], do not destroy the one for whom Christ died. 16 So do not let what you regard as good be spoken of as evil. 17 For the kingdom of God is not a matter of [monogyny or polygyny] but of righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. 18 Whoever thus serves Christ is acceptable to God and approved by men. 19 So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding. 20 Do not, for the sake of [polygyny], destroy the work of God. Everything is indeed clean, but it is wrong for anyone to make another stumble by what he [does]. 21 It is good not to eat meat or drink wine or do anything [including polygyny] that causes your brother to stumble. 22 The faith/conviction that you have [about living in polygyny], keep it between yourself and God [privately and discretely]. Blessed is the one who has no reason to pass judgment on himself for what he approves. 23 But whoever has doubts [about what he does] is condemned if he [does it], because the [doing] is not from faith. For whatever does not proceed from faith is sin. '

When we are out in the general public, I introduce my lady as my wife. When I understand that such an introduction would stumble, offend, grieve another, I follow verse 1. There is no lying. Let them think what they wish to think. The consequences of our Romans 14 obedience is on them. If there is any taint, the evil is in the eye of the beholder. This wrongful thinking would prevent Christians from going into bars and night clubs to witness, and prevent the Christian sisters from going into strip and nude clubs to witness to the strippers and dancers. It would have prevented Jesus from drinking at the well with the Samaritan woman, and from eating with sinners and tax collectors.

Deanne/Ray wrote: "Second, any wife I was married (one, two, three, etc.) to under that wronged witness would have her honor and virtue impugned by all who saw such a arrangement."

Spoken in ignorance of the fact, there is no wronged witness and there is no honor or virtue impugned
since the behavior is in obedience to Scripture and there is no lying or false witness. Let them think what they wish to think. The consequences of our Romans 14 obedience is on them. If there is any taint, the evil is in the eye of the beholder. This wrongful thinking would prevent Christians from going into bars and night clubs to witness, and prevent the Christian sisters from going into strip and nude clubs to witness to the strippers and dancers. It would have prevented Jesus from drinking at the well with the Samaritan woman, and from eating with sinners and tax collectors.

Deanne/Ray wrote: "Lastly, children would grow up under enormous pressure to either lie to the status of their parents (not a good practice) or not be under the same roof of a father and thus not under the benefit of true Biblical covering."

Again they do not understand the option of Romans 14:1, where they tell the inquirers that it is a personal and private matter and they are not free to discuss the matter with them. Secondly, the children do not have to live under the same roof as the father for him to teach them the Word when he is with them, wherever they may be, after the manner of Deut 6:7. Yes it is understood that the mother may be the primary teacher since she would spend more time with the children, as in the Kody family arrangement.

Deanne/Ray wrote: "Surely there must be another way by which our faith, our families, and our God are not called into question being immoral. Hugh Hefner cannot be the model for Biblical Families!
I denounce the sinfulness of this person comparing my ladies and I to Hugh Hefner and his playmates. Reminds me of the pharisees and saducees criticizing Jesus for the company he kept. This wrongful thinking would prevent Christians from going into bars and night clubs to witness, and prevent the Christian sisters from going into strip and nude clubs to witness to the strippers and dancers. It would have prevented Jesus from drinking at the well with the Samaritan woman, and from eating with sinners and tax collectors.


Nathan wrote: That said, I know of almost no one else who agrees with his view on living "separately" and totally "secretly".

Total secrecy is impossible, but it is a secret from those who would "quarrel over opinions" and "argue about or pass judgment on doubtful and disputable issues", from those who would be "grieved", spiritually destroyed, stumbled or grieved (Romans 14).

Nathan wrote: "This seems like "multiple families", as opposed to one family with several wives, and seems unkind to those involved."

Following the lead in Romans 14 we believe it is better to suffer unkindness rather than to be unkind, offending, grieving, stumbling and destroying the faith of others.

Nathan wrote: And while I appreciate the ideas of not causing others to stumble (and have left churches before I would do that), and avoiding offending the state (legally) - I don't think these principles should be the highest priorities of polygamous families.

For us there is no other priority higher or greater than that of obeying the Word of God, even if it is the unpopular Romans 14.

Nathan wrote: I think you are right that our witness needs to be stronger than that, if it was really God who called us into a plural family. Certainly, we don't need to be lying to family members - or anyone in my opinion. There is something to be said for not wearing your family situation "on your sleeve", or "casting your pearls before swine", as I like to think of it - but if asked outright, I will never deny my marriage status to one of my wives.

There is no lying or deception. If asked by those who may be offended, grieved, spiritually stumbled or whose faith might be destroyed, the Romans 14 reply is "I'm sorry but my religion and faith prevent me from talking any more about this matter. I believe that according to Romans 14 and 1 Cor 10 it would be a very serious sin to tell someone about one's own polygyny if it offended, grieved, spiritually stumbled or destroyed the faith of another. These differences with Nate and company are why there is no point in me attending their Biblical Family conferences.
 
Elkanah,

I've now read over that several times.

The part here where you say:

But what is in the word "wife"? Isn't it the relationship, the
covenants that make the marriage, and not the words "husband and
wife"? If a wife in polygyny knows that her husband is an honorable
man before the Lord, a man of integrity, a man who honors his word and
his commitments, then she will feel just as much his wife when he
introduces her as, or calls her "my Beloved", "my Darling", "my
Lover", "my Lady", "my darling Helpmeet", "Blessed Companion", "the
Queen of my heart", etc. instead of "my wife".

If a husband in polygyny knows that his mate in polygyny is an
honorable woman before the Lord, a woman of integrity, a woman who
honors her word and her commitments, then he will feel just as much
her husband when she introduces him as, or calls him "My own Man", "My
Mate", "Beloved", "my Companion", my Partner" etc. instead of "my
husband". There are many names for a wife and a husband other than
"wife" and "husband". Love and creativity can join forces to develop
names that are uniquely yours in your marriage that speak to you of
the intimate and confidential nature of your polygynous relationship.
It is the covenant before God that makes the relationship, not the
names or titles
.

Despite a few points you have made where I think there is a little room for a better balance in regard to what the doctrine of stumbling blocks means, overall your thrust and intent is on target, especially this above, which I think if the most important point of your post.

I am developing an article to go in the teaching forums dealing with this very issue about God's people returning to a two word system to simply stay literal with the Hebrew and Greek terms.

Though I can't get into it all here it basically all boils down to this fact: some terms in the public have now by legislative law and case law taken on the form of being copyrighted or tradmarked, and thus to use them creates all kinds of social conflict that is not necessary. As you wisely point out, the terms above can be used so as not to disrupt or cause social upheaval or alarm, which certainly does fit into the biblical admonition to live at peace with all people if possible.

However, the shacking up points you made where the people could be seen just as boyfriend and girlfriend who live together may still not do all what you would hope in avoind the stumblingblock idea either. Many people find that idea offensive.

And I agree with the point about Romans 14:22 and the whole point above love. We must, if walking in love, be careful, not just with this, but any doctrine that is a conscience issue (not a universal madnate like sharing of the gospel) not to share to much and it hurt another. It is just like with alcohol. If I know that drinking a glass of wine will offend my brother or sister I am not going to drink that glass of wine in front of them. Some would, however, say well one cannot very well hide their wife or husband. I understand that point as well, especially if they have kids in common it is rather impossible or difficult so in some degree or another it may not be as simple as always being able to avoid something that will be somewhat of a stumbling block. I think the key words go back to Paul where he says, "if possible" do all you can to live at peace with people. If by providence circumstances bring something up then it is more likely that God wants that providential moment to be a teaching moment for the weaker brother or sister who needs to be instructed in some area of doctrine.

But, back to my real point here, the two term system you have noted is right on target biblically. I suppose some will be dead set against any other term than "husband" or "wife" but I always ask: why? Those were not the terms in the biblical days. Those are English terms used to translate an idea or concept. I am growing more and more troubled by the whole term husband and wife because those terms now have a different set of definitions in many places than what the term Aner and Gune in Greek have when referring to a man's lady and a woman's man, which is the literal translation of the Greek words.

In some cases, but not all, by using those terms people are (1) protraying something other than what the word of God means, (2) are disrupting what socially and culturally has been established by legal precedent in legislative law and case law by the majority of society by using a set of terms that basically have been copyrighted or trademarked, (3) without a need to do so creating a tension among others that disrupts leaceful relations that might otherwise be there if such terms were not used.

As I see it the burden of proof rests upon those who demand or insist that those are the only acceptable words to use to describe one's relationship when in the Hebrew and Greek we have acceptable words that can still be used in translation, i.e. synonyms or cognates or words that carry the same nuance within the same semantical domain or sense of the original terms used by the inspired writers.

In short it boils down to this: if someone knows that he or she can use a term that is not offensive, and yet that term still be true and descriptive to the idea then why not use that term unless one is maybe full of pride and seeking to cause trouble?

For example: what if for some reason by case law, and by the majority of the social systems expressed in legislative law, the term "church" was outlawed and using that term became criminal and offensive to most in the land. Maybe over time people who claimed they were of the "church" were hostile people going on killing sprees.

What should the Christian do? Should they defy the government and demand it be used? No not. The only reason someone would have to do that is if they were uneducated about the original languages. We could simply use the terms: assembly, Christ's Community, the people of God who assemble, Christ's family who gathers, etc. etc.

In other words, if a particular term is the issue, not the idea or concept or practice of it, then we should be humble enough and loving enough to use alternative terms that do not create strife or turmoil among those listening to the terms. Now it would be different if the systems in power were to say, "you can not assemble together to worship Christ." Now that would be a whole different matter. But if we are dealing with fundamentally terms then we can simply use other terms.

For example, look at these two terms. Police Officer. If a person walks down the street and claims he will protect and defend another as they walk through a crime infested neighborhood because he is a police officer when in reality he is not authorized by the government to be a police officer he is indeed in a status that is unwarranted and he will be prosecuted for it. Why? Because that term is copyrighted or trademarked or protected by case law, legislative law and by the majority of the people within the social systems. So it is true that some terms have been set in a protected class system. If he simply told someone, I am a person who will protect you and defend you as you walk down this crime infested neighborhood then no harm has been done. He may be just as skilled as a police officer in firearms, may be in better shape physically, and even highly skilled in the martial arts, and thus can do a good job of protecting someone. So the idea and concept of protecting another is not the issue, but the terminology is. Thus certain terms in geographical regions seem to have been by default set in a protected class and we must seriously consider other terms to express our ideas.

And as I said above, I'm really beginning to wonder why biblically educated Christians want to continue using the terms "marriage," "husband," and "wife," when those terms are increasingly being defined in a different way than what the Bible defines for the terms of Gameo, Aner, and Gune. In essence the world's systems are defining those terms in the following two ways:
1. Egalitarian ways,
2. Non-Gender ways (homosexuals)

But the Bible's definitions of those two terms do not allow that type of ideology to be even thought of when we use the terms Gameo (to join) Aner (man) and Gune (woman) in the genitive forms which shows possession.

This makes a very practical difference and can easily be seen in "marriage counseling" these days. I have literally being counseling couples who intend to marry and in that process discovered they have a completely different idea of what a husband and wife are than what the Bible has. They have at times adopted pagan and unbiblical ideas and have done so because the terms husband and wife have been defined differently for them by certain pieces of literature they have read.

So, as I said, I am growing more and more inclined to the idea that we as Christians might need to at the very least begin using vernacular that represents a multi-layered language where several different words are used to describe what we mean as the terms husband and wife have in today's systems taken on a different set of meanings that we would not support from a Christian and biblical worldview.

Dr. Allen
 
Though not a cure-all for the legal problem, it is important how the relationship begins and proceeds. In Isaiah 4:1 (contextual timeline aside, it is modern.) It shows that modern women have a choice as to home and initiate much if not most of the action themselves. Modern society will never look favorably upon men shopping for or collecting wives but it is more accepting of adult independent consenting women making this choice of lifestyle for themselves. Also, scripturally and morally once people are together then of course they should stay together. However, people that do not want to be in a home have their own choice to leave. It might be sinful, or morally wrong but all one can do is pray for them and they have the freedom to stay or not stay. Polygynous homes may find support in scripture, but will never look exactly like Abraham's home. :geek:
 
I believe that in situations where polygyny is an option, a voluntary choice, these verses are the Lord's Way of handling the issue. I realize that when one is under God's command in Scripture to marry polygynously (explained below) then it is far more difficult to obey the principles and instructions in these passages. Here is how I understand them.

A Word regulating the practice of polygyny is 1 Cor 10, again paraphrased for application:
23 "All things [including polygyny] are lawful,” but not all things are helpful. “All things [including polygyny] are lawful,” but not all things build up. 24 No one should seek his own benefit, but the benefit of his neighbor. 25 [Experience any form of godly marriage you wish] without raising any question on the ground of conscience. . . . 27 If one of the unbelievers invites you [and your polygynous family to an event] and you are disposed to go, [polygynously partake in the event] without raising any question on the ground of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “[The public practice of polygyny is illegal here and sinful],” then do not [in open polygyny attend] it [or argue about or pass judgment on the doubtful and disputable issues, opinions and reasonings about polygyny], for the sake of the one who informed you, and for the sake of conscience— 29 I do not mean your conscience, but his. For why should my [polygynous] liberty be determined by someone else’s conscience? 30 If I partake [of polygyny] with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of that for which I give thanks? 31 So, whether you [practice monogyny or polygyny], or whatever you do, do all to the glory of God. 32 Give no offense to Jews or to Greeks or to the church of God, 33 just as I try to please everyone in everything I do, not seeking my own advantage, but that of many, that they may be saved.

Yet another Word regulating the practice of polygyny is Romans 14, here paraphrased for application:

"Rom 14:1 Accept and welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but don't argue about or pass judgment on doubtful and disputable issues, opinions and reasonings [like those about polygyny]. . . 13 We should not therefore judge one another any more: but you all should judge this rather, that no man put a [spiritual] stumblingblock in his brother’s way, or an occasion of falling [into sin]. 14 I know, and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean of itself [including polygyny]: except that to him who considers anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean. 15 For if because of meat [or polygyny] your brother is grieved, you walk no longer in [godly] Love. Do not destroy him for whom Christ died with your meat [or polygyny] . . . 19 We should therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification. 20 Do not destroy the work of God for the sake of food [or polygyny]. All food is clean [just as all forms of heterosexual Christian marriage are clean], but it is wrong for a man to eat anything [or marry and be married in such a way] that causes someone else to [spiritually] stumble; 21 It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or [be polygynous] by which your brother stumbles [into sin]. 22 Your personal convictions [on polygyny based on the Word of God]--exercise [them] as in God's presence, keeping them to yourself [privately, discretely and secretly if necessary, with likeminded people as in Rom 15:4-6; 2 Corinthians 13:10-12; Philippians 2:1-3]. Blessed (happy, to be envied) is he who has no reason to judge himself for what he approves [as to polygyny]. 23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating [or being polygynous], and then eats [or is polygynous], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he does not act from faith [based on the Word of God]. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith [based on the Word of God] is sin. 15: 1 Now we who are [polygynous and] strong [in our faith] have an obligation to bear the weaknesses of those without strength, and not to please ourselves. 2 Each one of us must please his neighbor for his good, in order to build him up. 3 For even the Messiah did not please Himself. . . . [From the AmpBible & Strong's]

We see in 1 Cor 11 that to not discern, recognize, rightfully appreciate and behave with wise and kind Love with the body of Christ, the body of His believers, when in fellowship with a body of believers, results in the Father's promised discipline of the offending believer, often in the form of weakness, sickness and even the death of one's body. So I believe a genuine believer can expect to be judged and disciplined by Jesus if he/she avoidably, knowingly and deliberately offends, spiritually stumbles another believer by his/her polygyny, like the rich Corinthian Christians avoidably, knowingly and deliberately offended the poor Christians in their midst by the way they ate together.
". 29For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning, recognizing and rightfully appreciating the body [of Christ, His disciples], eats and drinks judgment on himself. 30That is why many of you are weak and ill, and some have died. 31 But If we were properly evaluating ourselves, we would not be judged. 32But when we are judged by the Lord, we are disciplined so that we may not be condemned along with the world." 1 Cor 11 ESV

ON THE OTHER HAND, if one becomes polygynous in obedience to God's explicit command (see 1 Cor 7 and 1 Tim 5 below), then one must obey Jesus in the matter, while endeavoring to obey the following:
Rom 14:1 Accept and welcome anyone who is weak in faith, but don't argue about or pass judgment on doubtful and disputable issues, opinions and reasonings [like those about polygyny].

In the case where one becomes polygynous under God's command to marry, and one lives where the Christian community wrongfully condemns Biblical Christian polygyny, one must still seek to be polygynous in the manner of Romans 14 and 1 Cor 10. If he/she is unable to do so and the local Christian community is grieved, offended and/or spiritually stumbled by the polygyny, it is Jesus and His Word that is offending, grieving and stumbling those who are upset about that one's polygyny. Consider the following situations:
[1] Safronia, the bereft/widowed woman is under 1 Cor 7:8,9 and/or 1 Tim 5:14 command to marry, to be married. No godly and single Christian brother steps up to the plate to marry her, either because none of the brothers want to or are able to. Hank, the only godly Christian brother who is able (1Jn3:16,17,18) and willing (2 Cor 8:12) to marry her is already married. Married brothers are not excused from marrying a bereft woman (Deut 25:5-10). Since no other godly Christian male will marry the bereft woman under command to marry, and Hank is able to be husband to her, then he should marry her (1Jn3:16,17,18) . It is best to practice polygyny secretly, privately and discretely (Romans 14) in hostile environments if at all possible, but if it is not possible for the couple in this situation, then they must be polygynous "under fire", experiencing persecution for obeying Jesus. In this case Jesus and His Word is offending, stumbling and grieving the carnal Christians who are stumbled, grieved and offended by the polygyny.

[2] Serena, the believing brother's wife, leaves him and divorces him. Serena marries another while still claiming to be a genuine disciple of Jesus. She is a genuine believer but has become snared in sin (2 tim 2:24ff). If they were both genuinely saved and free in the Lord to marry when they married, then they are maritally bound in the Kingdom of God as long as they both live (1Cor7:10,11,39; Rom 7:1-3; Mark 10:1-15). The brother, Billy, is subjected to all manner of predicted sexual temptations due to her being gone (1 Cor 7:1-5). He fails to consistently continue to abstain from sex sin, and so comes under command to marry (1 Cor 7:1,2,8,9). Obediently he marries another godly Christian sister in polygyny, since in the Kingdom of God he is still maritally bound to Serena, the wife that left him. Serena may or may not return to be reconciled and reunited with him (1 Cor 7;10,11,39) but they are maritally bound to each other in the Kingdom of God as long as both of them live. If Serena returns to Billy in polygyny, he may suffer persecution or loss of privileges in his local assembly because of his complicated marital status in polygyny. Billy tries to practice his polygyny privately, secretly and discretely (Rom 14) but some in his assembly learn of it and are offended, grieved, and spiritually stumbled because of it. The offense, stumbling, grieving is because of his obedience to Christ, so it is Christ and His Word that is offending, stumbling and grieving them, and that matter is between them and Christ.

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You said:

So I believe a genuine believer can expect to be judged and disciplined by Jesus if he/she avoidably, knowingly and deliberately offends, spiritually stumbles another believer by his/her polygyny, like the rich Corinthian Christians avoidably, knowingly and deliberately offended the poor Christians in their midst by the way they ate together.

That is on target as far as I can tell because it goes to the heart of the issue, which is one's intent and real purpose.

We ought to never do anything in front of another if we know for sure that what we are going to do will offend and cause another to stumble and be injured in the faith. There is no way around the plain meaning of that in Romans 14. The Bible cannot be any more clear or plain in its all encompassing statement, "It is better not to eat or drink or do ANYTHING that will cause your brother to stumble/fall" (14:21).

To act in such a way on purpose knowing it will or with almost all probability injure them is to act in an unloving way.

If, on the other hand, one is taking precautions and doing all they can do to be wise and peaceful with an attempt to protect the conscience of the weaker person if the issue stil arises then it would seem to me to be a providential moment whereby we are called to help the weaker grow in his or her faith. If circumstances beyond our control brings the issue to light then we must simply trust God and his sovereignty.

It also seems very practical to me. If someone likes to flaunt something knowing it will hurt another's conscience that does not give too much comfort to those who might be interested in a union with that person. If a person will purposefully do something to hurt another then will that person not also likely do that inside of a covenant union? If I were considering a partner and examining that person if the person did not love their neighbors enough to try and keep from injuring them how would I know the person would love me enough to be wise, cautious, and careful with me in circumstances where I might be weaker in some area of the faith? It does not provide much comfort to us when we apply it to ourselves, which is the purpose behind the golden law, do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

If a person likes to flaunt a freedom in an area where it will be destructive to another then such unloving acts like that will likely show up in the home. It is probably only time before that person acts carelessly and pridefully towards his or her closest neighbors and does something to cause serious injury there as well.

It is therefore so important for us to act and live in the law of love as much as possible so that we are seen as a peaceful people, a people marked by the fruit of the Spirit and flaunting one's freedom is no way to walk in the Spirit of love and grace towards the weaker vessels who may be destroyed by our knowledge if we do not walk in such a way to edify and not tear down (1 Cor. 8:1-3).

If I were considering what man to point my daughter toward for a biblical union and the two choices were about even except in this area where: (1) A man who exercised great care and caution with his knowledge as he looked out for not only his interests but the interests of others (Phil. 2:4) as he loved, or (2) a man who flaunted his freedoms in Christ under the banner of "it is the truth and if they don't like then oh well that is there fault for not knowing the Word of God which is sharper than a two-edged sword (Heb 4:12)," I would steer my daughter towards the first man because he is showing a deeper dedication to love and balance and overall maturity and I would know that my daughter would be safer in his care than the second man.

Again it all boils down to love, which is the purpose and fulfillment of the law.
 
Polygyny and 1 Cor 8 - Sinning against Christ in others

The Bible makes it clear in Romans 14, 1 Cor 10 and 8 that it is evil and sinful to eat food sacrificed to idols, eat blood, and/or eat what is strangled if we are fellowshiping with Law abiding Jews, if believing Jews see us in a place where they regularly eat such, or if we appear to them to be eating such. The sin is eating in the temple of an idol where they commonly and regularly eat food sacrificed to idols, eat blood, and/or eat what is strangled.
***Acts 15:"Therefore it is my judgment that we do not trouble those who are turning to God from among the Gentiles, 20 but [we] should write to them to abstain from the things polluted by idols, and from sexual immorality, and from what has been strangled, and from blood, 21 BECAUSE from ancient generations Moses has had in every city those who proclaim him, for he is read every Sabbath in the synagogues." . . . . 28 For it was the Holy Spirit's decision—and ours—to put no greater burden on you than these necessary things: 29 that you abstain from food offered to idols, from blood, from eating anything that has been strangled, and from sexual immorality. . . . Acts 21:20And when they heard it, they glorified God. And they said to him, "You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed. They are all zealous for the Law [of Moses], . . . 23 Do therefore what we tell you. . . . Thus all will know that there is nothing in what they have been told about you, but that YOU [Paul] YOURSELF ALSO LIVE IN OBSERVANCE OF THE LAW [of Moses]. 25 With regard to the Gentiles who have believed, we have written a letter containing our decision that they should keep themselves from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from what is strangled, and from sexual immorality."

1 Cor 8 deals with being SEEN EATING FOOD IN AN IDOL'S TEMPLE and the possible effect it has on a Jewish believer when he/she sees a Gentile believer who appears to be eating food sacrificed to idols, eating blood, and/or eating what is strangled in such a place. When one is seen eating in an idol's temple, it is a safe assumption that one is eating food offered to, sacrificed for or involved with the worship of the idol. On the other hand 1 Cor 10 deals with being SEEN EATING OR ABOUT TO EAT FOOD OFFERED TO AN IDOL AWAY FROM and outside of AN IDOL'S TEMPLE, and then learning that a Jewish believer who is watching thinks that a believer is eating or about to eat such food..

If Brutus saw Caesar eating in an idol's temple, if Caesar was known to be a serious Christian, if Brutus knew that it was a sin for Caesar to eat such food, and if Brutus assumed Caesar was eating idol food, Brutus thinking that if Caesar did it then it must be okay to do so - but he has doubts about the godliness of eating that food - and then Brutus goes ahead and eats such food with doubts because of Caesar's behavior, then Caesar has sinned against both Brutus and Christ.
***1 Cor 8: 7 But knowledge [is] not in all: but some, with conscience of the idol, until now eat as of a thing sacrificed to idols; and their conscience, being weak, is defiled. 8 But meat does not commend us to God; neither if we should not eat do we come short; nor if we should eat have we an advantage. 9 But see lest anywise this your right [to eat] itself be a stumbling-block to the weak. 10 For if any one see you, who have knowledge, sitting at table in an idol-house, shall not his conscience, he being [spiritually] weak, be emboldened to eat the things sacrificed to the idol? 11 and the weak [one], the brother for whose sake Christ died, will perish through your knowledge. 12 Now, thus sinning against the brethren, and wounding their weak conscience, you sin against Christ. 13 Therefore, if food causes my brother to fall [in sin], I will never again eat meat, so that I won't cause my brother to fall [in sin].

Based on this Scripture, I understand that I should not go to or be in a place where they are doing what the Bible clearly and specifically declares to be sin, like adultery, sexual immorality, drunkenness, orgies, sensuality, promiscuity, moral uncleanness, impurity, licentiousness, lasciviousness, indecency, witchcraft, idolatry, occult involvement, drug abuse, sorcery, hatred, enmities, fighting, strife, jealousies, fits of anger, outbursts of wrath, contentions, rivalries, dissensions, factionalism, selfish ambitions, disputes, divisions,
conflicting positions, envyings, murders, drunkenness, carousing, orgies and/or revellings (from Gala 5); or like telling/doing lies, worshipping and serving created beings and objects, living iniquity, grasping and covetous greed, and malice; full of envy and jealousy, murder, strife, deceit and treachery, ill will and cruel ways; being secret backbiters, gossipers, slanderers, inventors of new forms of evil, disobedient and undutiful to parents, without understanding [of God & His will], conscienceless and faithless promise breakers; being heartless , loveless [and] merciless; being hateful to and hating the one true God of the Bible; full of insolence, arrogance, [and] boasting (From Romans 1). I understand 1 Cor 8 to indicate that I should not attend or participate in an activity that involves any of the preceeeding, what the Bible clearly and specifically declares to be sin, lest my behavior "be a stumbling-block to the weak" and embolden "the weak" to attend or participate in the sinful behavior. If there is a movie, TV show, book, magazine, concert or web site characterized by the preceeding, then I shouldn't go to it or see it for my own sake (Phil 4:8), and for the sake of any child of God that might see me go see it, and then go see it her/himself.

The Rock Church has female God Squads composed of born again and godly Christian sisters who have been Spirit led to go and minister to women who are working in strip joints and nude bars. They go in wearing God Squad clothing, carrying Bibles and Christian literature and they attempt to minister to the women doing the stripping or nude dancing. I believe the only kind of male who could effectively participate in such a ministry would be a male eunuch who prays and fasts regularly. I know I couldn't and I strongly advise any normal male to not even try to do such a ministry or a ministry to prostitutes or porn women. Sisters with lesbian and/or bisexual problems are screened out and do not qualify to be a memeber of such God Squads. The Rock sisters go into a place where sin is being done openly, but given their appearance and conduct, no one observing them could think that they are participating in the sexual immorality of genital exposure (Ezek 23) or in the sin of trying to cause males to sin with evil thoughts and desires to do evil. All who see them can readily see that they are not participating or encouraging the sin, but that they are talking to the women about faith in and following Jesus.

Even though polygyny is not on the list of shame and sin given above, some might think that 1 Cor 8:8-13 applies to the practice of Christian polygyny, as in the following paraphrased and applied version of 1 Cor 8. Derived and paraphrased from 1 Corinthians 8 for polygynous application:
RT: 1Cor 8: 8 It is true that a particular kind of [marriage] will not bring us into God’s presence; we are neither inferior to others if we abstain from [polygyny], nor superior to them if we [practice] it. 9 But take care lest this liberty of yours should prove a hindrance to the progress of weak believers. 10 For if any one were to see you, who know the real truth of this matter, [practicing polygyny], would not his conscience (supposing him to be a weak believer) be emboldened to [practice polygyny as well but with doubts]? 11 Why, your knowledge becomes the ruin of the weak believer--your brother, for whom Christ died! 12 Moreover when you thus sin against the brethren and wound their weak consciences, you are, in reality, sinning against Christ. 13 Therefore if [my polygyny] causes my brother to fall, never again to the end of my days will I [openly and publicly practice polygyny to the knowledge of weak believers], for fear I should cause my brother to fall. [Derived from 1 Cor 8:8-13]

I don't believe that it does apply to the practice of Christian polygyny, in contrast to the Romans 14:1-15:3 and 1 Cor 10:23-33, which I believe clearly apply to the practice of Biblical Christian polygyny. The difference as I see it is that 1 Cor 8 deals with being in a place where they are known for doing a specific sin that is clearly and specifically declared to be sin, i.e. the sin of eating food that has been offered to idols, and then appearing as if you are participating in the sin. Being in polygyny and appearing to participate in Polygyny are never declared specifically, clearly or explicitly to be sin. To influence someone to be Biblically polygynous is not influencing someone to do what God in the Bible declares to specifically, clearly and explicitly sinful. It is evil and sinful to influence another to be polygynous while he/she has doubts about it, has doubts about it being Biblical, doubts about it being acceptable to Jesus. 1 Cor 10 and Romans 14 have shown us that it is evil and sinful to influence someone to be polygynous when they believe it is evil or sinful.
***Romans 14:23 But the man who has doubts (misgivings, an uneasy conscience) about eating [or being polygynous], and then eats [or is polygynous], stands condemned [before God], because he is not true to his convictions and he does not act from faith [based on the Word of God]. For whatever does not originate and proceed from faith [based on the Word of God] is sin.

The issue in 1 Cor 8, as I see it, is that Bob, a mature Christian, is comfortable eating food in the temple of an idol that he knows has not been offered to an idol, but Barbie, an immature Christian, seeing Bob eating in the idol's temple, is influenced by Bob's behavior where he appears to do the sin of eating food offered to an idol, influencing her to against her faith and what she believes is right, and so she comes under God's discipline and judgment. The wiser and right thing for Bob to do is not to eat in the temple of an idol where they serve food that has been offered and consecrated to the idol. A modern application would be that Bob should not go to and enter a bar where there are nude female dancers (idolatry of sex and female beauty), lest Barbie (who might have lesbian issues) or Bill (who is a typical testosterone driven male) be influenced to go to and enter such an establishment to their hurt, loss and suffering.

***1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak, that I might win the weak; I have become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings. NASB + ESV [APPLICATION: To the monogynous I became weak, that I might win the weak; I become all things to all men, so that I may by all means save some. 23 I do it all for the sake of the gospel, that I may share with them in its blessings.]
***2 Corinthians 6:1 Working together with Him, we also appeal to you: "Don't receive God's grace in vain." . . . 3 We put no obstacle in anyone’s way, we give no opportunity for stumbling to anyone, giving no cause for offense in anything, so that no fault may be found with our ministry, ESV, NASB, HCSB [APPLICATION: We, the polygynous, do not allow our polygyny to be an obstacle in anyone's growth in God's grace, or be an offense or an occasion to sin, so that no fault may be found in our ministry.]
***1 Corinthians 9:12 . . . Nevertheless, we have not made use of this right and authority, but we endure everything rather than hinder or put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ. ESV, NASB, HCSB [APPLICATION: We have not made use of our right and authority to be openly and publicly polygynous so as not to hinder or put an obstacle in the way of the gospel of Christ.]

http://meetup.com/SanDiegoChristianPolygyny
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Poly_Poly ... _And_Jesus
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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PolyPolygamyPolygnyNJesus
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http://groups.myspace.com/BiblicalChristianPoly
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LynnAndLossRecovery
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