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Polygamy in Black America & Building Wealth
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A house without Yahweh is a sad house. It is my opinion that this is a good picture of a "polygamist" family not a "polygynist" family. I may be wrong but in my mind there is a difference between the two in that true Biblical marriage ordained by God with more than one wife is polygyny.
A marriage like the one in this video where the purpose and foundation is based on building wealth is polygamy.
A marriage like the one in this video where the purpose and foundation is based on building wealth is polygamy.
Yes, they still have that hole in their hearts; are still empty without Christ. But part of reason I posted this was it was so beautiful: they have a sense of oneness and love about them.
Given how few children they have, I'd certainly say they are in this for wealth over higher pursuits. But building wealth for the right reasons isn't bad; it depends what the purpose for that wealth is. I think theirs is a better model than the 'husband as packmule' approach Christians so often fall into (monogamous AND polygamous).
Given how few children they have, I'd certainly say they are in this for wealth over higher pursuits. But building wealth for the right reasons isn't bad; it depends what the purpose for that wealth is. I think theirs is a better model than the 'husband as packmule' approach Christians so often fall into (monogamous AND polygamous).
I agree I wouldn't want a pack mule for a husband and it is nice to feel (the wife) like you are contributing. Working together as a team is great when each person has a purpose and goal in the family unit. I know I need to feel needed and wanted.
If what I have to offer can be done by the others it takes away the value of what I bring to the table.
If what I have to offer can be done by the others it takes away the value of what I bring to the table.
Thats not necessarily true. Anything brought to the table has value as long as its in positive form.
Someone reading Proverbs 31, since Solomon could be the author (there are questions about the last few chapters), could take that scripture as being from a plural relationship. So there could be some scriptural backing for the wife/wives to be business women. Plus, Christian or non-Christian, if Biblical principles are applied in their marriage, they could be successful.
Ive seen his family interviewed before. They’re a beautiful family that has worked thru a lot of the issues with poly. Obviously some bones, but lottts of meat.
So near, yet so far from the mark.
So many good, insightful perspectives.
What they are living is technically polygyny (one man, multiple wives) but they don’t rule out the possibility of polygamy (simply multiple partners no matter which gender). I wonder if that is their public position just to avoid the criticism.
It would be interesting to see how the ownership of the businesses are set up, one giant corporation with ownership of stock by each individual?
Multiple corporations with him owning some of the stock in each one but the wives not owning stock in each other’s business?
If the family is completely business/wealth focused, how is the care-giving handled for the children?
So many good, insightful perspectives.
What they are living is technically polygyny (one man, multiple wives) but they don’t rule out the possibility of polygamy (simply multiple partners no matter which gender). I wonder if that is their public position just to avoid the criticism.
It would be interesting to see how the ownership of the businesses are set up, one giant corporation with ownership of stock by each individual?
Multiple corporations with him owning some of the stock in each one but the wives not owning stock in each other’s business?
If the family is completely business/wealth focused, how is the care-giving handled for the children?
I don't know anything about JLP, this is the first thing I've seen from him. One of the things I find interesting here is that while JLP is Christian, he doesn't attack them for being poly like most Christians would. But he does turn the screws on headship; something they wouldn't do. He also ignores the idolatry thing which would trigger most Christians. He seems to be a good interviewer and insightful Christian who knows what issues are at the root.
He talks about the hierarchy of creation (God->Christ->Man->Woman->Children); which comes directly from 1 Cor 11 but is spoken of throughout the scriptures. That's directly applicable to a marriage discussion like that interview, but I watched another interview he had with Ann Coulter where he brought it up in a completely different context; so it seems to be a generally important principle to him.
This is only a surprise to me in that so few people pick up on the importance of this principle; most hate it. But it is important, especially in the black community which has long been beset with matriarchy and daddy government which is now spreading to our entire culture as we become ruled by women and children.
He talks about the hierarchy of creation (God->Christ->Man->Woman->Children); which comes directly from 1 Cor 11 but is spoken of throughout the scriptures. That's directly applicable to a marriage discussion like that interview, but I watched another interview he had with Ann Coulter where he brought it up in a completely different context; so it seems to be a generally important principle to him.
This is only a surprise to me in that so few people pick up on the importance of this principle; most hate it. But it is important, especially in the black community which has long been beset with matriarchy and daddy government which is now spreading to our entire culture as we become ruled by women and children.
I think their position is that they are not against polygamy for others, but their construct is polygyny. Anyone who joins their family signs off on that construct (much like a monogamous construct) and if one of the females changes their mind, they are free to leave the group if they choose.
In my mind there is a certain amount of strength and wisdom to that approach. It has an unintended consequence effect that seems counter intuitive at first blush.
Yes it goes against the rigid authoritarian master complex that monogamy only, never divorce has fostered, BUT, every woman that is with him is there because she has bound herself to that relationship and you couldn’t get her to leave if you pointed a gun to her head. Not because he holds a vow over her head or leverages loneliness for life or excommunication from God himself against her.
Those are the types of women that even if the gubment drags their man off to prison for 5 years, they ain’t leaving. They know that finding another like him is next to impossible and they aren’t just in it for him. They are in it for the vision of intricately connected family and oneness and multi-generational prosperity that he has sold them on. They can continue his work without him hovering and micromanaging every little detail, and when he’s sprung, each one will have something to show for their efforts while he was away.
Obviously they are off a bit on the Nubian goddess thing, but IMO there is soooo much to learn from their “construct”.
Excellent points
This reminds me of the parable of the talents and of the Proverbs 31 woman.
Yes in the "black" culture king and queen are used a lot it is significant in how they treat eachother. You know the saying you speak life or death with the words you speak. The references to King or Queen is elevating them to be and do more.
As Christians are created to be the Head and not the tail....
Black America has issues most white American will never understand. White America doesn't need to know. They speak in terms that everyone can understand but they also speak to eachother to elevate their people from where they came from and it isn't a white issue or for white people. It is like when a parent speaks to one child about their behavior, although it is beneficial to all the children it isn't meant for all children.