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Plural marriage recognized in the Netherlands?

Polyamory is, as far as I know, basically the idea that anything can be called and recognized as marriage, whereas biblically polygyny is the polar opposite of polyandry (and nothing to do with homosexuality, which is included in polyamory), and has polygyny as innocent and normal as monogamy, and polyandry worthy of death. Scripture makes a distinction of life and death, where polyamory makes no distinction at all. So while this may be a break from the Roman bigotry against biblical polygyny, it is still a huge step in the wrong direction.

It may be telling to point out though: that the most barbaric heathens are more open to a biblical lifestyle than the heathens who pretend to be the church.
 
Jeff Ray said:
In this link https://polyinthemedia.blogspot.com/2019/05/420nurses-on-your-tv-news-polyamorous.html, from the website "Polyamory in the News", there is the following line:



I've never heard this before. Anyone know more about this?
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Warning in advance: I am no lawyer and this is no legal advice. :)

There is no civil ceremony in the Netherlands, where unions of more than two are legally recognized. Sorry to destroy your dreams...
Next to "normal" marriage, we have here a civil registered partnership which is a cohabitation contract between only two adults of which at least one of them is Dutch, they are not already married, not directly related to each other in 1st or 2nd line, etc, etc. The only difference between the registered partnership and marriage is that it is not mandatory to pronounce "Yes, I do".

Next to the above we know another form of cohabitation contract, but this has only a limited status. This contract is an (oral or written) agreement that regulates the property relationships between two or more persons who run a joint household. It is often a notarial deed, and arranges how property is divided after death of one of the partners. But indeed you can form a partnership with any combination of two or more adults that normally cannot marry or have a registered partnership. So, even if you don't comply with the requirements stated above (for example father and son or a man with two or more women, or a woman with two or more men, or multiple men and multiple women), you can enter into this kind of cohabitation contract.

To my knowledge this cohabitation contract has no further national or international status. For tax affairs there still can be only one partner (the oldest by default). There are no obligations to each other recognised by law. There is no civil ceremony, other than that you may see the notary's appointment as a ceremony and dress up neatly, and there is no further recognition of the registration next to the property division in case of death, and there is even no requirement for cohabitation. However, I doubt if the cohabitation contract has any validity if all are non-Dutch, and I don't think the property arrangements are recognized legally outside the Netherlands.
 
Patrick Lauser said:
Polyamory is, as far as I know, basically the idea that anything can be called and recognized as marriage, whereas biblically polygyny is the polar opposite of polyandry (and nothing to do with homosexuality, which is included in polyamory), and has polygyny as innocent and normal as monogamy, and polyandry worthy of death. Scripture makes a distinction of life and death, where polyamory makes no distinction at all. So while this may be a break from the Roman bigotry against biblical polygyny, it is still a huge step in the wrong direction.

It may be telling to point out though: that the most barbaric heathens are more open to a biblical lifestyle than the heathens who pretend to be the church.
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Your on to something here. At this point I become a bit lost of the branching off terms for poly. I took polyamory to be everyone has sex with each other, so this becomes abomination as I understand as well. Yes, scary, non believers often believe things that is actually closer to the Bible than Church goers.
 
Man@Home said:
Next to the above we know another form of cohabitation contract, but this has only a limited status. This contract is an (oral or written) agreement that regulates the property relationships between two or more persons who run a joint household. It is often a notarial deed, and arranges how property is divided after death of one of the partners. But indeed you can form a partnership with any combination of two or more adults that normally cannot marry or have a registered partnership. So, even if you don't comply with the requirements stated above (for example father and son or a man with two or more women, or a woman with two or more men, or multiple men and multiple women), you can enter into this kind of cohabitation contract.
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Regardless of the name, it sounds like some legal protections for two or more adults entering into a domestic, cooperative agreement. It may not be called civil union or marriage, but I'm thinking people may be trying to use it as such, hence the article.
 
Mojo said:
Regardless of the name, it sounds like some legal protections for two or more adults entering into a domestic, cooperative agreement. It may not be called civil union or marriage, but I'm thinking people may be trying to use it as such, hence the article.
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Well, there is no protection outside the property part. But indeed there are a few cases published in the news of people who used this vehicle as a registration of their poly partnership. And which is by-the-way in itself not recognized or acknowledged by the government in any other way, and the government even prosecuted cases like these as bigamy for example for plural marriages under sharia laws which also used this type of contract to "formalise" it.

Edit: note as well that it is forbidden by law to have any (religious) ceremony at all preceding marriage.
 
Man@Home said:
Next to the above we know another form of cohabitation contract, but this has only a limited status. This contract is an (oral or written) agreement that regulates the property relationships between two or more persons who run a joint household. It is often a notarial deed, and arranges how property is divided after death of one of the partners. But indeed you can form a partnership with any combination of two or more adults that normally cannot marry or have a registered partnership. So, even if you don't comply with the requirements stated above (for example father and son or a man with two or more women, or a woman with two or more men, or multiple men and multiple women), you can enter into this kind of cohabitation contract.
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So this part is informative. One of the main original purposes for regulating marriage was to regulate property dissolution on death. So this is them extending that function to random other non-'marriage' groupings.

We don't have a formal status codified in the US. But you can accomplish the same thing with private co-habitation agreements, trust documents, and deed assignments.

This all puts a spotlight on something key. What is really the point of state recognized marriage? In legally recognized marriage? It mostly has to do with property dissolution, power of attorney, and other similar things that can be accomplished through other legal means. Tax benefits being one of the few exceptions.

Of course in some states you'll theoretically run afoul of the law. But outside of the SW where the Mormon presence brought attention, such things aren't enforced. And today aren't really enforced at all anymore unless you do something stupid like marrying someone under the age of consent.
 
Patrick Lauser said:
Polyamory is, as far as I know, basically the idea that anything can be called and recognized as marriage,...
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Actually polyamory has mostly nothing to do with marriage. I originally thought polyamory and polygamy were related allies, but when I joined the local polyamory mailing list I found this mostly to be not true. They are for the most part anti-polygamy.

Literally polyamory means "many loves". It is one step more intimate than swinging. In swinging they desire only the sex and no emotional intimacy. In polyamory that desire the emotional intimacy in addition to the sex, but it is mostly outside of marriage. They most often retain monogamist ideas of marriage. The marriage partner would be considered a "primary" of which there is usually only one. Then they are free to have as many "secondaries" as they want. You would think that as these secondary relationships would grow into primaries and it would eventually look like polygamy, or even group marriage, but apprarently this is not the usual case, or even aspired, too.

Basically what I am trying to explain is that a primary difference between polygamy and polyamory is marriage. The former has it and the latter does not.

Of course, experiences vary, and the culture is changing rapidly so other views are likely.
 
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