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I found an interesting article on this subject.

Battered Women’s Syndrome: Science or Sham?
October 28, 2002
Wendy McElroy

As Domestic Violence Awareness Month nears its end, organizations like the California Coalition for Battered Women in Prison are calling loudly for the mass pardoning of "battered" women who have been convicted of first-degree murder.

PC feminists should instead take a real stand against gender violence and abandon the Battered Woman Syndrome -- a legal defense used to exonerate women who kill abusive men in the absence of imminent danger.

BWS claims that battered women are psychologically traumatized and therefore not responsible for their violent actions. Thus, a battered woman is not held responsible for murdering her abuser in his sleep, as in the much cited court case State of North Carolina v. Judy Ann Laws Norman or in the movie The Burning Bed. BWS sidesteps the long established principle that only a clear and imminent danger to life can justify murder, especially the premeditated variety.

Controversy swirls over whether BWS even exists or is a creation of feminist politics. Whatever is true, BWS is a legal defense available to women and de facto denied to men. Both women and men should be held equally accountable for their acts of violence. The courts should not bar anyone from a valid legal defense -- but is BWS valid?

BWS is more than a demand for compassion. As a woman who was severely battered, empathy is my first reaction. But compassion toward a murderer does not justify her act. BWS is being politically used to make cause celebres out of women who make the most reprehensible choice possible -- the cold-blooded killing of another human being.

Consider the case of the self-confessed serial killer Aileen Wuornos, a prostitute recently executed by the state of Florida for murdering seven men. Wuornos initially claimed that the men, all killed within a year's span, were customers against whom she was defending herself. She later recanted and told the judge: "I am guilty as can be. I want the world to know I killed these men -- as cold as ice. I've hated human beings for a long time." Wuornos' motive was also robbery.

Seven human beings who were never convicted of a crime -- indeed, who were accused of one only by a murderess, thief and liar -- received private death sentences. They were dismissed by a media which would have eagerly examined every detail of the victims had they been female.

By contrast, Wuornos has been the subject of movies, a documentary, a play, and an opera sympathetic to the murderess and dismissive or hostile to her victims. The play, entitled Self-Defense (or The Death of Some Salesmen), presents the murderess as a martyr. She is a symbolic reminder that men abuse women. Lest anyone miss that message, the policeman who arrests Jolene Palmer (the Wuornos character) states his motives, "White, middle-aged men are at risk!"

The opera, entitled Wuornos, is a self-consciously political justification of murdering men. Pointing a finger of blame at Wuornos' allegedly abusive father and distant grandfather, the opera advertises itself as "the rage of one woman" speaking "for centuries of pain." Wuornos is described as "a woman who makes the ultimate sacrifice for the love of her life -- another woman." This refers to the fact that Wuornos had been persuaded to confess her guilt by her lesbian lover.

Such presentations hit hard upon the tragic childhood of Wuornos. But the goal does not seem to be compassion or understanding of the human condition. After all, no compassion or understanding is extended to the dead men or their families. The message is clear: the men deserved to die.

In her essay, "Sexual Violence Against Women and a Woman's Right to Self-Defense: The Case of Aileen Carol Wuornos," the renowned radical feminist Phyllis Chesler provides "statistics" and theory to support this message.

Without citing sources, Chesler explains, "According to contemporary studies, 90 percent of all violent crimes are still committed by men. ... When those women who commit 10 percent of all violent crimes do kill, nearly half kill male intimates who have abused them or their children, and they invariably do so in self-defense." [Emphasis added] Chesler's statistics do not seem to apply to spousal killing. The Department of Justice's "Murder in Families" study found "among black marital partners ... 47 percent of the black spouse victims were husbands and 53 percent were wives. Among white victims ... 38 percent of the victims were husbands and 62 percent were wives." It is also difficult to understand how Chesler knows that battered women invariably murder in self-defense, not in anger or for revenge.

I keep returning to the least discussed aspect of BWS. The men who deserved a trial before being executed: Were they, in fact, guilty?

Wuornos did not endorse the opera that eulogizes the murder of men, although she was asked repeatedly to do so. Before she died, Wuornos expressed great remorse for the pain she had caused the families of her victims. What does it say about PC feminists when a serial killer who hates mankind shows more decency than they can manage?
 
fascinating.

steve, not a.............................
 
*sigh*

It is amazing how everything bad is somehow made to be some sort of evil feminist conspiracy isn't it?
 
Isabella, please note the use of the word "Extremism" in the title and the lack of specifying women only in the OP. Extremism on the part of "feminists" is the problem, not feminism in general.
 
Isabella and others, Please note again my emphasis on extremism, rather than feminism in general. It appears to me to be an over reaction.
B - Wonders why so many men like to whine, cry, be bitter and complain about how evil women aka Feminism/extremism/conspiracy/misandry etc, are and then wonder why they can't get one (or two or three.... to marry or even respect them?? Why not sort your own houses out first men??? If you started acting like men and not like whinging armchair warriors WE wouldn't have to step up to the plate and do your jobs for you! You want respect? Earn it!!!
Isabella
I do not know Mr. Manwomanmyth and I am not entirely endorsing him and his point of view, but he does have some pertinent information worth considering. Most men I know do not whine, cry or bitterly complain about how evil women are. Granted there are a minority that do. The men I know, love women and defer to them, overmuch. I am finding that most honest women respect and desire a man that is strong in himself, confident, courteous and having a purpose in life. Such men, though kind to women, usually do not kowtow to women, but follow their own goals and are happy to have her come along on the adventure. I am truly sorry that the experience of so many women and some of the men on this forum has been negative. Let's not cancel the season because we've lost a couple games. I am not willing to give up on good men and women who desire to pattern their lives after God's Word and principles contained therein.
 
John Whitten said:
Isabella and others, Please note again my emphasis on extremism, rather than feminism in general. It appears to me to be an over reaction.

I accept that you feel this way but I am unsure if Manwomanmyth does, the problem is the evidence presented is very one sided and therefore you can claim the problem is extremism to you but the evidence you use to support yourself is clearly one sided.

John Whitten said:
I do not know Mr. Manwomanmyth and I am not entirely endorsing him and his point of view, but he does have some pertinent information worth considering. Most men I know do not whine, cry or bitterly complain about how evil women are. Granted there are a minority that do.

Yes, I have met many of them, I also know and am related to, some of the kindest, supportive, strong (mentally and emotionally, I am unconcerned with physical strength) men you are ever likely to meet and I will tell you this much, they would not be caught dead writing this sort of stuff. Not because all the women they have relationships with are perfect paragons of submissive womanhood (remember, I am related to some of these women!!!) but because they have pride! And they are also willing to admit the mistakes they make, take responsibility and act like adults, that is what we, as women, want and look for.


John Whitten said:
The men I know, love women and defer to them, overmuch. I am finding that most honest women

You see, I don't want to be over picky but why use that term? Honest. It gives the idea that oftentimes women are dis honest in what they want in a man and I can tell you one thing, as an unmarried women on the wrong side of 30 *weep*
I have never met a woman who says she wants a weak, meek, rude, no ambition lack of purpose man in her life. It is no measure of honesty what you stated, it is just what all women want in a husband, women looking for a sugar daddy OTOH, probably would not mind a weak man, mind you, they probably would not be offended by what manwomanmyth says either (or people referring to them rudely as 'Feminazi' or whatever low class horrors they can come up with) because you know what? Those types of women are unconcerned with being strong and capable themselves and instead want to be taken care of all their lives, in such way, they infantalise themselves, no feminist would do that.

John Whitten said:
I am truly sorry that the experience of so many women and some of the men on this forum has been negative. Let's not cancel the season because we've lost a couple games. I am not willing to give up on good men and women who desire to pattern their lives after God's Word and principles contained therein.
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I am not willing to give up the idea that there are good prospects for the future of mixed gender relationships, regardless of their belief system, but I feel that a certain rot has set in, I hope it can be rectified with the next generation but I see so many young people growing up with some sort of 'entitlement attitude' girls that just seem to want to be ornaments and boys who do not want to take any responsibility, it distresses me.

B
 
Here is another video that expresses what happens when an extremist view of feminism comes into conflict with a very conservative view of family. Please note that the "movement" being discussed is not being quoted as attempting to affect all society, just their own. However, the reaction of the commentators is certainly less than supportive of the groups right to do as it believes is right. Brainwashing is a very effective red herring and easily inflames others to antagonism of that which is accused of being different and teaching the same to others. This is what happens when the fox guards the hen house.
http://youtu.be/vbOSoJcA1Ww
 
John Whitten said:
Here is another video that expresses what happens when an extremist view of feminism comes into conflict with a very conservative view of family. Please note that the "movement" being discussed is not being quoted as attempting to affect all society, just their own. However, the reaction of the commentators is certainly less than supportive of the groups right to do as it believes is right. Brainwashing is a very effective red herring and easily inflames others to antagonism of that which is accused of being different and teaching the same to others. This is what happens when the fox guards the hen house.
http://youtu.be/vbOSoJcA1Ww

Gee! Can anyone say BIASED !!!! :evil:

Actually, while I was suppressing my desire to smack those two "commentators", I kept waiting for them to interview one of the women they were denigrating.....they never did! :(

I believe in Christian Patriarchy. I am neither a victim nor an "indentured servant". I am also not brainwashed and I also believe that women (and men) have a right to choose. The role that God created for women is a very significant one and the branch of Christian Patriarchy that I belong to understands that. It seems that the line in the sand has been drawn and any woman who chooses to follow the familial road map listed in Ephesians 5 can expect to be reviled by secular society.

Those two women don't understand that there exists a huge gulf between the Christian Patriarchy movement (the sane branch, anyway :) ) and "male chauvinism". The former respects women and views them as creations of God, while the latter views them as inferior beings. Maybe next time the "commentators" will actually talk to one of us before they broach this topic again! Amazing ignorance! :(

Blessings,
Fairlight
 
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