Did I get your attention? My question is about submission. Is it possible we are misreading the "mutual submission" phrase and misapplying it to marriage when it doesn't have ANYTHING to do with the marriage relationship but rather the MEN'S relationship with MEN? Patriarchal headship would be antithetical to any situation involving a man submitting to a woman. Practically, if a man is to be lead, it is more effective if another man leads him. If a church is being built, it is far easier to gain a family AFTER the man is converted. Conversely, the children brought to Sunday School on the bus seldom results in dear old dad coming to church or getting saved. Similarly, if wifey comes to church and gets saved before hubs, his conversion generally is a long ways off but, a husband getting saved first more often results in the rest of the fam following suit.
Men reaching men, men submitting to men, is a far more effective tool than man submitting to wifey dear. Men know how to talk to men whereas women most often don't have a clue.
Culturally speaking, the letters to various churches were written to men who would share with their women and family. The principles apply to both genders but the direction of doctrinal letters is to family leaders. There are a few specific exceptions, Lydia, etc. but the overarching idea was the then patriarchal structure.
We must be aware of our own post-modern-feminist lenses as we look into scriptures.
Mutual submission- man to woman and woman to man (husband and wives), doesn't work. Both empirical and anecdotal evidence proves it out.
Maddog
Men reaching men, men submitting to men, is a far more effective tool than man submitting to wifey dear. Men know how to talk to men whereas women most often don't have a clue.
Culturally speaking, the letters to various churches were written to men who would share with their women and family. The principles apply to both genders but the direction of doctrinal letters is to family leaders. There are a few specific exceptions, Lydia, etc. but the overarching idea was the then patriarchal structure.
We must be aware of our own post-modern-feminist lenses as we look into scriptures.
Mutual submission- man to woman and woman to man (husband and wives), doesn't work. Both empirical and anecdotal evidence proves it out.
Maddog
That's why I was curious. I find it hard to submit regardless of gender. I find it easier to communicate with men. Women think more differently than men from my perspective. But communicating and submission aren't the same. Submission involves trust. I seem as unlikely to trust men as women. Because of the ease of communication I can often trust the reasoning of a man, but I suppose I suspect his motives more, because being like me, I know his evil more fully.
